this place is good for a laugh wrote:
I just have to laugh at people talking about Democrats and spending. Its like they cannot even do the most basic thing and look up the deficit under different presidents. LRC is such a gold mine.
I looked but I could not find any deficit numbers for socialist presidents. At least in the USA.
Maybe you should look up the history of economies under socialist leaders outside the USA: Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc.
Still laughing?
If "actually poor people have it better than me," is your take. You are either stupid or poorer than them. I'm gonna gamble on both?
hear here wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Yeah... imagine thinking life is better on welfare. Anything to demonize "the others!"
Sure because Team Donkey doesn't demonize the "others."
Trump is on the verge of tears, whining and ranting and lying brazenly. Meanwhile, Pence just issued a statement saying that he won't be throwing himself under the bus in a futile attempt to help Trump perform a coup. Someone needs to tell him the news so we can really watch him lose his mind.
BLM!! wrote:
Some Republicans are being cry babies about the recent election, but we just had 4 years of Dems crying about Russian Facebook ads for why they lost in 2016. So far, the Republican election reaction doesn't even compare.
Except that didn't happen, no one cried for 4 years, stop making stuff up. If by "crying" you mean the Mueller investigation which found that Russia did interfere with the 2016 election, and resulted against charges against 34 people - I'm not really sure how that's crying from the Left when it produced tangible results and was lead by a Republican special investigator reporting to a Republican DOJ. And find me an example of someone prominent on the left saying Trump didn't win the election. You can't.
Just stop with your delusions.
Hey I saw Alex Jones talking about how great the German economy was under Hitler! Get your talking points straight!
Bound4Glory wrote:
this place is good for a laugh wrote:
I just have to laugh at people talking about Democrats and spending. Its like they cannot even do the most basic thing and look up the deficit under different presidents. LRC is such a gold mine.
I looked but I could not find any deficit numbers for socialist presidents. At least in the USA.
Maybe you should look up the history of economies under socialist leaders outside the USA: Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc.
Still laughing?
I understand that there is a lot of disappointment from those who consider themselves Rep. or just don't like the Dems. But what you have to understand is that the election was not stolen, there wasn't some plot other than the plot as set out in the constitution to let the will of the people be spoken and be realized.
I think the new administration wants to put this behind us and do right by the working people, all of them, and let bygones be bygones. They aren't communists, socialists, perverts, whatever.
Things are going to improve only if we let them. And that is for real this time.
Give it a chance.
2600 bro wrote:
Is this some kind of weird penance ritual?
sureee wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErDo-rjXUAIGtGn?format=jpg&name=medium
no, it's proof that you're blind
Come On wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Yeah... imagine thinking life is better on welfare. Anything to demonize "the others!"
You do realize that you brought a propaganda cartoon to an adult discussion, right? Dear leader would be proud of you
What are you talking about? It's a political cartoon demonstrating the ridiculousness of the claim that poor people are better off. Can you explain how this is propaganda - do you know what that word means?
2600 bro wrote:
Hey I saw Alex Jones talking about how great the German economy was under Hitler!
Get your talking points straight!
Never heard of the guy.
Slo-Jo wrote:
ContextisKing wrote:
Yeah but who's going to pay for it Brainiac? Point is you're creating a stupid system by making emergency rooms Primary Care places!
Search one of the argument is that Republicans are brain-dead idiots who don't have any logical consistent approach to running a society
How can a society function with all the members don't have access to health care and have to resort to going to only certain hospitals in only certain emergency rooms
Systematic preventive Health Care is cheaper and more effective and creates a better standard of living for everyone
Systematic preventive Healthcare can save tons of money and help stop deadly diseases before they start
Republicans don't have any consistent approach
What really is there answer to people dying in the street? You say they can go to emergency rooms but who's going to pay for it? Republicans are against creating a necessary taxing stream to pay for such exorbitant Services as emergency rooms providing Primary Care and again it's a dumb strategy!
The reason that most people are currently voting against the left is because your ideas are not economically sustainable. The American middle class is toast. Being forced onto a one-size-fits-all healthcare system is going to be horrible and expensive. The government is going to be involved in your healthcare decisions in ways you can't possibly predict now.
The left want to chant "racism" every time someone hints at having even a single conservative view. I find this tiresome because that is not only untrue, but it is a convenient way to turn every discussion into an "I'm totally right and you are totally wrong" debacle. It keeps the left from ever having to examine their real Achilles heel, and that is that your spending is out of control. When money runs out, no one is free. We moved out of Illinois because we finally realized we would never reach most of our financial goals because of our outrageous tax rate. Money does not come from "magic". The middle class will pay for these expensive policies, and in doing so they will become the new poor (only no one will care because it's not woke to care about them). In IL, we would have lived a much easier and nicer life if we had made $40,000/year less.
I am not surprised by the results of the GA runoff. My family is from GA, and dems have been maneuvering since Nov. to get bogus addresses to vote and drown out the voice of the people of GA. The state election laws allow this, and Stacey Abhrams fought hard to make sure that route to rig it stayed open. That is what most of us moderates have to look forward to - being drowned out by the obnoxious. I suspect now that they have their system perfected that all elections will be won by dems, but only by a believable margin.
The average democrat citizen who has enjoyed moderate or conservative state governments have no idea what you are in for. You have not yet lived the policies that you voted for. You will know it has reached you when you find yourself scratching your head wondering why you can no longer afford anything even thought your income hasn't diminished. I was a democrat when I moved to IL, and after 8 years of total misery I finally was able to move out and I will never vote blue again. The middle class are enslaved under them. They see us as nothing but an income source.
IL does suck, but I honestly think it's more due to total corruption in the (Democratic) leadership than Democrat policies alone. Getting rid of Madigan would go a long way towards helping to fix things, but I guess that's not going to happen for a while.
This is a quite a day.
Wow I knew people would be mad but this is almost worse than Trump losing.
The tears are flowing!!!
Keep 'em coming guys. 10 points for using "vote dump" or "socialist."
Bound4Glory wrote:
this place is good for a laugh wrote:
I just have to laugh at people talking about Democrats and spending. Its like they cannot even do the most basic thing and look up the deficit under different presidents. LRC is such a gold mine.
I looked but I could not find any deficit numbers for socialist presidents. At least in the USA.
Maybe you should look up the history of economies under socialist leaders outside the USA: Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc.
Still laughing?
Yes, now I am laughing even further. The fact you think Pol Pot etc... have anything to do with Democrat presidents of the US is quite hilarious and sad. But mostly hilarious. Sometimes I wonder what kinds of jobs some you have and how you even manage to hold them with such a low intelligence.
Bad Wigins wrote:
ContextisKing wrote:
If there is election fraud then why did the Republicans do great in Congress, picking up a lot of seats, doing better than expected!
Because it's harder to get away with cheating at everything?
Bad, it's no use debating. These liberals are obsessed with "facts" and "evidence". As Trump supporters, we don't need any of these things- we just need faith. Faith that Donald J Trump will prevail against the radical leftist democrats.
Bound4Glory wrote:
this place is good for a laugh wrote:
I just have to laugh at people talking about Democrats and spending. Its like they cannot even do the most basic thing and look up the deficit under different presidents. LRC is such a gold mine.
I looked but I could not find any deficit numbers for socialist presidents. At least in the USA.
Maybe you should look up the history of economies under socialist leaders outside the USA: Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc.
Still laughing?
I'll engage with you seriously for a second. Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc - you're right it would be terrible to live under one of those regimes. I agree with you 100% and I'm on the left. But I don't know of anyone who is advocating for that so if you think that's the leftist position you are misguided. Canada has universal healthcare. The Scandinavian countries are much more socialist than the US but routinely have the highest quality of life in the world. Germany & France have virtually free college.
So look - I don't know exactly what would work here in the US, and neither do you, we've never tried it. There is a history of communist and authoritarian governments that should give us all cause for concern, but modern-day "socialist" policies exist all over the world without any of that garbage you referenced so it is possible. In fact there is enough success that we on the left think it's time to start incorporating best practices from around the world here at home. Experiment with what works, discard what does not. I think this full-on capitalist experiment has had its ups and downs but there are enough examples of the downsides now (medical bankruptcy, crippling student debt, shrinking middle class) that it's probably time to tweak the formula to keep what's good but fix what's broken.
I have reservations about Democrat control over POTUS, Congress, and Senate, but never was a loss more deserved than this. Loeffler was a corrupt, vapid sugar mama and Perdue wouldn’t even attend debates he was such a entitled coward. Not Senate material. Adios, losers. Stacey Abrams is a bad MF’er.
You can watch demented white nationalists riot at the capitol here. So. Much. Butthurt.
this place is good for a laugh wrote:
Yes, now I am laughing even further. The fact you think Pol Pot etc... have anything to do with Democrat presidents of the US is quite hilarious and sad. But mostly hilarious. Sometimes I wonder what kinds of jobs some you have and how you even manage to hold them with such a low intelligence.
You are doomed. Just like the rest of us. You just don't know it yet.
Adolph Hitler led the German state from 1933 until his death by suicide in 1945.
Bound4Glory wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
Hey I saw Alex Jones talking about how great the German economy was under Hitler!
Get your talking points straight!
Never heard of the guy.
hamo wrote:
I'll engage with you seriously for a second. Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc - you're right it would be terrible to live under one of those regimes. I agree with you 100% and I'm on the left. But I don't know of anyone who is advocating for that so if you think that's the leftist position you are misguided..
All those leaders were "for the people" in the beginning and started off saying the same things that the Democratic Party is saying. We should expect the same results here.
The problem is that in order to enact a socialist system you have to significantly increase the power of the central government. And then it's always a risk that the leaders will abuse that power. Then they run out of other people's money to spend on social programs, and the economy starts failing everywhere. Now the leaders absolutely must abuse those powers to stay in charge. It's inevitable.
ps. Thank you for your reasonable tone of argument.
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