Georgia Runoff

Bound4Glory wrote:

so odd wrote:

People weren't voting for Biden, they were voting for not trump.

All true. The converse is true as well. Lots of Trump voters were really voting for not-socialism. (I know Joe is not a true Socialist, but people fear he will be easily controlled by them).

Biden spent 47 years back stabbing progressives. He’s going to do whatever that senator from WV wants - that’s who is really in charge now. Probably some big coal and fracking giveaway - all to help revive an industry that should be left to slowly die. It’s cruel to bring new people into these dead careers.

Not sure that makes sense. Biden was basically the most non-socialist democratic option in the primaries.

Also note the irony of republican led government being the ones to send direct subsidies to the general public twice this year...

govlie1 wrote:

Biden spent 47 years back stabbing progressives. He’s going to do whatever that senator from WV wants - that’s who is really in charge now.

Joe Manchin? Why is he important? That's the second time someone brought him up in this thread. My impression of Manchin is that he has no political values or ideology at all. He's going to do what's best for himself, and his re-election chances, and that's all there is to it. But, he's just a nobody from nowhere.

so odd wrote:

Biden was basically the most non-socialist democratic option in the primaries.

That's true. But when you see Biden, do you get the impression of a guy who's firmly rooted in core values and he'll hold fast until his last dying breath? Or he'll just do what he needs to do to prolong his career?

Probably the second, right?

Cant the same be said about 75% (90%??) of Congress?

Bound4Glory wrote:

govlie1 wrote:

Biden spent 47 years back stabbing progressives. He’s going to do whatever that senator from WV wants - that’s who is really in charge now.

Joe Manchin? Why is he important? That's the second time someone brought him up in this thread. My impression of Manchin is that he has no political values or ideology at all. He's going to do what's best for himself, and his re-election chances, and that's all there is to it. But, he's just a nobody from nowhere.

Because he's the most conservative democrat in a 50-50 senate. They need all 50 to do even the simplest things plus 10 republicans to break the filibuster.

so odd wrote:

Because he's the most conservative democrat in a 50-50 senate. They need all 50 to do even the simplest things plus 10 republicans to break the filibuster.

Okay, I see. That makes sense.

Bound4Glory wrote:

And really, I'm not a COVID denier. If you saw me outside, I don't just mask, I double mask. And these are full masks with N-95 filters. I'm a believer. And I also tell people to stay at home, and stay off airplanes. And not just because I like to go to Las Vegas and the lockdowns are saving me boatloads of money on hotel rates and air fares. I really do want them to stay home. And be safe.

Respect for this. Apologies if I was harsh -- too used to dealing with trolls

No problemo!

No doubt polarization has increased. We are going to have to have a reckoning on this subject but I guess I am just less fatalistic about it than you seem to be. This is probably just a difference of opinion that we won't convince the other of, so cheers :)

2600 bro wrote:

If "actually poor people have it better than me," is your take.

You are either stupid or poorer than them.

I'm gonna gamble on both?

hear here wrote:

Sure because Team Donkey doesn't demonize the "others."

Bro, you do realize some people made more money receiving covid relief money than when they were working, right?

The point is about input and output.

Middle class people put in a lot of input, (i.e. long hard 40-60 hour weeks) for not a lot of output (tons of taxes reduces their net gain).

Compare that to people who make just under the threshold, put in little input (i.e. they dont work at all) for quite a bit of output (a modest monthly income from the gov).

Sure, they may not earn the same in gross income, but their net income covers their expenses for little effort in exchange. I think that is what people object to.

hamo wrote:

Bound4Glory wrote:

I looked but I could not find any deficit numbers for socialist presidents. At least in the USA.

Maybe you should look up the history of economies under socialist leaders outside the USA: Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro, etc.

Still laughing?

The Scandinavian countries are much more socialist than the US but routinely have the highest quality of life in the world.

The Scandinavian countries are predominantly homogenous, demographically speaking. They are all white. Countries that are homogenous tend to do better over time, i.e. Japan, China, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, and for a while there, Spain

Harambe wrote:

Runner10287 wrote:

But I draw the line on living life restricted by the COVID scam.

350k excess deaths in the USA.

You brag about walking around without a mask with no repercussions.

Yet you still claim it's 1) a scam and 2) your life is restricted.

Do you even try to make sense? (No, lol)

It is a scam. My life isn't restricted because I didn't go to bars and restaurants much before March 2020 but I will support any place willing to defy the unnecessary shut downs. When I do go places I don't wear a mask so also not restricted there. Cry about it.

Bound4Glory wrote:

govlie1 wrote:

Biden spent 47 years back stabbing progressives. He’s going to do whatever that senator from WV wants - that’s who is really in charge now.

Joe Manchin? Why is he important? That's the second time someone brought him up in this thread. My impression of Manchin is that he has no political values or ideology at all. He's going to do what's best for himself, and his re-election chances, and that's all there is to it. But, he's just a nobody from nowhere.

Manchin is the most likely Senator to flip to pass GOP favored legislation. WV is red cesspool of MAGAasses and he often votes with the GOP.