El Guerrouj 2k WR - Incredible 3:49 Mile pace

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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rekrunner wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:
Your question is utterly disingenuous. Your beliefs are unchangeable. Your pretense to entering a discourse about doping is just that - a pretense. I have no interest in persuading you of anything. That would certainly be an act of stupidity - to imagine that I could. Indeed, nothing you say interests me. You are merely an irritating yapping dog that periodically requires to be kicked.

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I didn't enter a discourse about doping, but asked you for an authoritative citation to back up your initial statement.

You should be able to do this, regardless of my beliefs.

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I quoted an article that made the obvious and uncontested point (except on this thread) that a higher RBC enables greater O2 transfer for each breath, but your beliefs got in the way of understanding - as they always do. It isn't a point of scientific contention - if you understood the science. That the earth isn't flat hardly requires a citation.

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Armstronglivs wrote:
I quoted an article that made the obvious and uncontested point (except on this thread) that a higher RBC enables greater O2 transfer for each breath, but your beliefs got in the way of understanding - as they always do. It isn't a point of scientific contention - if you understood the science. That the earth isn't flat hardly requires a citation.

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Coevett wrote:

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rekrunner wrote:

A few pages back, "Salvatore Stichmo" said of El G (and Komen): "nobody is touching the 4.44 from Hichem and nobody is touching the 7.20 of Komen - unless we have another doping free-for-all like the mid to late 90's"

This is a safe claim, since even during the "doping free-for-all like the mid to late 90's", nobody could touch El G and Komen.

Recall facts from recorded history:
In the '90s, excluding El G and Komen, the next best was Morcelli, 3.08 seconds slower in the 2000m with 4:47.88, and Geb in 3000m, 4.42 seconds slower with 7:25.09. This was the historical result of the powerful, widespread, undetectable endurance drug.

How can you reconcile these large gaps to the next best runners, in this doping free-for-all period, with the claims of a powerful, undetectable endurance drug, whose use was unquestionably widespread, while keeping in mind that any suggestion that El G or Komen took EPO, or competed with elevated red blood cells, is unfounded personal speculation.

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Yet you think that it's a coincidence that these untouchable times were set at the height of the EPO era?

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Yo Sara ian wrote:

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how does that work? wrote:

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Standard Setter wrote:
If you guys want "intelligent discourse" got with factual data. There is more than EPO that makes El Guerrouj the greatest 1500/Miler of all-time and the reason he holds 7 of the Top 10 All-Time performances over 1500m and the Mile. EPO as a drug has not "improved." He simply was a once in a generation talent with the right blend of speed and endurance with the intangibles we all want in terms of heart, desire, and commitment, with a great training regimen. EVERY great runner in history that has competed in the 1500/Mile has claimed El G to be the greatest, from Coe to Cram.

1 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 14.07.1998
2 3:26.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
4 3:26.45 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 12.08.1998
5 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 17.07.2015
6 3:26.89 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 16.08.2002
7 3:26.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 08.09.2002
8 3:27.21 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.2000
9 3:27.34 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 19.07.2002
10 3:27.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Nice 12.07.1995

1 3:43.13 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 07.07.1999
2 3:43.40 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Roma 07.07.1999
3 3:44.39 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 05.09.1993
4 3:44.60 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Nice 16.07.1998
5 3:44.90 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 04.07.1997
6 3:44.95 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 29.06.2001
7 3:45.19 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Zürich 16.08.1995
8 3:45.64 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Berlin 26.08.1997
9 3:45.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 London 05.08.2000
10 3:46.24 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 28.07.2000

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So are you saying El Gerrouj doped with EPO?

I never heard Steve Cram make that claim.

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How does that work?

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rekrunner wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:
I quoted an article that made the obvious and uncontested point (except on this thread) that a higher RBC enables greater O2 transfer for each breath, but your beliefs got in the way of understanding - as they always do. It isn't a point of scientific contention - if you understood the science. That the earth isn't flat hardly requires a citation.

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While you did quote an article, it fell far short of responding to what was asked of you.

This has nothing to do with my belief or my understanding.

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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rekrunner wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:
I quoted an article that made the obvious and uncontested point (except on this thread) that a higher RBC enables greater O2 transfer for each breath, but your beliefs got in the way of understanding - as they always do. It isn't a point of scientific contention - if you understood the science. That the earth isn't flat hardly requires a citation.

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While you did quote an article, it fell far short of responding to what was asked of you.

This has nothing to do with my belief or my understanding.

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Au contraire.

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rekrunner wrote:

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how does that work? wrote:

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Standard Setter wrote:
If you guys want "intelligent discourse" got with factual data. There is more than EPO that makes El Guerrouj the greatest 1500/Miler of all-time and the reason he holds 7 of the Top 10 All-Time performances over 1500m and the Mile. EPO as a drug has not "improved." He simply was a once in a generation talent with the right blend of speed and endurance with the intangibles we all want in terms of heart, desire, and commitment, with a great training regimen. EVERY great runner in history that has competed in the 1500/Mile has claimed El G to be the greatest, from Coe to Cram.

1 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 14.07.1998
2 3:26.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
4 3:26.45 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 12.08.1998
5 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 17.07.2015
6 3:26.89 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 16.08.2002
7 3:26.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 08.09.2002
8 3:27.21 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.2000
9 3:27.34 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 19.07.2002
10 3:27.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Nice 12.07.1995

1 3:43.13 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 07.07.1999
2 3:43.40 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Roma 07.07.1999
3 3:44.39 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 05.09.1993
4 3:44.60 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Nice 16.07.1998
5 3:44.90 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 04.07.1997
6 3:44.95 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 29.06.2001
7 3:45.19 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Zürich 16.08.1995
8 3:45.64 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Berlin 26.08.1997
9 3:45.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 London 05.08.2000
10 3:46.24 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 28.07.2000

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So are you saying El Gerrouj doped with EPO?

I never heard Steve Cram make that claim.

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I understood "it is more than EPO" as an attempt to refocus the intelligent discourse away from EPO.

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Yo Sara ian wrote:

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rekrunner wrote:

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how does that work? wrote:

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Standard Setter wrote:
If you guys want "intelligent discourse" got with factual data. There is more than EPO that makes El Guerrouj the greatest 1500/Miler of all-time and the reason he holds 7 of the Top 10 All-Time performances over 1500m and the Mile. EPO as a drug has not "improved." He simply was a once in a generation talent with the right blend of speed and endurance with the intangibles we all want in terms of heart, desire, and commitment, with a great training regimen. EVERY great runner in history that has competed in the 1500/Mile has claimed El G to be the greatest, from Coe to Cram.

1 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 14.07.1998
2 3:26.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
4 3:26.45 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 12.08.1998
5 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 17.07.2015
6 3:26.89 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 16.08.2002
7 3:26.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 08.09.2002
8 3:27.21 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.2000
9 3:27.34 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 19.07.2002
10 3:27.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Nice 12.07.1995

1 3:43.13 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 07.07.1999
2 3:43.40 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Roma 07.07.1999
3 3:44.39 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 05.09.1993
4 3:44.60 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Nice 16.07.1998
5 3:44.90 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 04.07.1997
6 3:44.95 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 29.06.2001
7 3:45.19 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Zürich 16.08.1995
8 3:45.64 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Berlin 26.08.1997
9 3:45.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 London 05.08.2000
10 3:46.24 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 28.07.2000

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So are you saying El Gerrouj doped with EPO?

I never heard Steve Cram make that claim.

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I understood "it is more than EPO" as an attempt to refocus the intelligent discourse away from EPO.

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Like a smokescreen?

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He means that El G was exceptionally talented as well.

If you can't glean that what chance do you have understanding scientific articles?

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rekrunner wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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rekrunner wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:
I quoted an article that made the obvious and uncontested point (except on this thread) that a higher RBC enables greater O2 transfer for each breath, but your beliefs got in the way of understanding - as they always do. It isn't a point of scientific contention - if you understood the science. That the earth isn't flat hardly requires a citation.

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While you did quote an article, it fell far short of responding to what was asked of you.

This has nothing to do with my belief or my understanding.

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Au contraire.

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So if I understand you correctly, you are saying if only I understood the article written by a chair of ethics, and two children researchers, then you would be capable of providing an authoritative description of the relation of EPO and breathing from an expert in the field that corroborates your version?

It looks odd to me that it is my lack of understanding that is directly causing you to fail to participate in what could be intelligent discourse.

I don't think a globe earth requires a citation, but if anyone were to challenge me to find one, I would be able to find several based on real verifiable and repeatable observations and data, and we wouldn't be discussing 10 pages later about why I couldn't find 1 single citation, choosing instead to doubt the intelligence and comprehension capability of those who dare to continue to ask for supporting arguments.

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rekrunner wrote:

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how does that work? wrote:

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Standard Setter wrote:
If you guys want "intelligent discourse" got with factual data. There is more than EPO that makes El Guerrouj the greatest 1500/Miler of all-time and the reason he holds 7 of the Top 10 All-Time performances over 1500m and the Mile. EPO as a drug has not "improved." He simply was a once in a generation talent with the right blend of speed and endurance with the intangibles we all want in terms of heart, desire, and commitment, with a great training regimen. EVERY great runner in history that has competed in the 1500/Mile has claimed El G to be the greatest, from Coe to Cram.

1 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 14.07.1998
2 3:26.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
4 3:26.45 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 12.08.1998
5 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 17.07.2015
6 3:26.89 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 16.08.2002
7 3:26.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 08.09.2002
8 3:27.21 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.2000
9 3:27.34 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 19.07.2002
10 3:27.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Nice 12.07.1995

1 3:43.13 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 07.07.1999
2 3:43.40 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Roma 07.07.1999
3 3:44.39 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 05.09.1993
4 3:44.60 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Nice 16.07.1998
5 3:44.90 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 04.07.1997
6 3:44.95 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 29.06.2001
7 3:45.19 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Zürich 16.08.1995
8 3:45.64 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Berlin 26.08.1997
9 3:45.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 London 05.08.2000
10 3:46.24 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 28.07.2000

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So are you saying El Gerrouj doped with EPO?

I never heard Steve Cram make that claim.

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I understood "it is more than EPO" as an attempt to refocus the intelligent discourse away from EPO.

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The top runners were all taking EPO in the 1990s. It doesn't magically make every runner run the same time. This isn't Asterix at the Olympic Games. Training and talent differentiate them still.

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Armstronglivs wrote:
Perhaps you could explain how a higher RBC doesn't mean that more oxygen can be carried for each breath? Or how an improved aerobic capacity requires a runner has to breath harder than when they had lesser aerobic capacity? I'm sure you could produce citations. And another proving the earth is flat, while you are about it.

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zcxvczxv wrote:
The top runners were all taking EPO in the 1990s. It doesn't magically make every runner run the same time. This isn't Asterix at the Olympic Games. Training and talent differentiate them still.

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Standard Setter wrote:
If you guys want "intelligent discourse" got with factual data. There is more than EPO that makes El Guerrouj the greatest 1500/Miler of all-time and the reason he holds 7 of the Top 10 All-Time performances over 1500m and the Mile. EPO as a drug has not "improved." He simply was a once in a generation talent with the right blend of speed and endurance with the intangibles we all want in terms of heart, desire, and commitment, with a great training regimen. EVERY great runner in history that has competed in the 1500/Mile has claimed El G to be the greatest, from Coe to Cram.

1 3:26.00 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 14.07.1998
2 3:26.12 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
3 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat KEN 12.12.74 2 Bruxelles 24.08.2001
4 3:26.45 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 12.08.1998
5 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop KEN 30.06.89 1 Monaco 17.07.2015
6 3:26.89 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 16.08.2002
7 3:26.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Rieti 08.09.2002
8 3:27.21 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1rA Zürich 11.08.2000
9 3:27.34 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Monaco 19.07.2002
10 3:27.37 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Nice 12.07.1995

1 3:43.13 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 07.07.1999
2 3:43.40 Noah Ngeny KEN 02.11.78 2 Roma 07.07.1999
3 3:44.39 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Rieti 05.09.1993
4 3:44.60 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Nice 16.07.1998
5 3:44.90 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 04.07.1997
6 3:44.95 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Roma 29.06.2001
7 3:45.19 Noureddine Morceli ALG 28.02.70 1 Zürich 16.08.1995
8 3:45.64 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Berlin 26.08.1997
9 3:45.96 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 London 05.08.2000
10 3:46.24 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 14.09.74 1 Oslo 28.07.2000

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posting again wrote:
It seems appropriate to link again to the following thread, in which an Olympic quality athlete asserts that everybody was doping in the late 90s. Canova chose to ignore this when it was once pointed out to him.

It is certainly clear that El Guerrouj and Morceli were doping, and that it had an effect. How much of an effect is debatable, of course one certainly still needs hard work and ability.

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rekrunner wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:
Perhaps you could explain how a higher RBC doesn't mean that more oxygen can be carried for each breath? Or how an improved aerobic capacity requires a runner has to breath harder than when they had lesser aerobic capacity? I'm sure you could produce citations. And another proving the earth is flat, while you are about it.

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I don't make any of these claims, as I haven't yet seen any expert discussion, nor the basis supporting the discussion, on the connection to the breathing rate, either during or post-exercise, associated with an alleged higher throughput capability of oxygen. Once I have seen the expert discussion, and the supporting data and observations, I would be in a better position to form a reasoned opinion, and explain the basis for it. You suggested an inverse relation: higher oxygen throughput leads to reduced breathing. You said it seems too logical. I said this inverse relation seems counter-intuitive.

Recall it was you who made a claim about the significance of breathing on page 1. A fundamentally basic part of intelligent discourse is for you to be able to provide the basis and foundations for your own claims. Telling me that I cannot comprehend a basis that has not been presented does not meet that burden.

With respect to the shape of the earth, around 1000 years ago, the Islamic astronomer Abu Rayhan al-Biruni did a mountain top experiment taking measures of the dip-angle to the horizon, relative to a horizontal gaze. From this measurement, and another measurement of angles to the height of the mountain, he used basic geometry to estimate the radius of the earth to a remarkable degree of accuracy, compared to our current estimates today. If the earth were flat, he would have measured a 0-degree dip-angle, and the radius calculation would have resulted in a division by zero, indicating the infinite radius associated with a plane. Anyone can make predictions from their model, and then perform this experiment for themselves, making the results verifiable, and if applicable, falsifiable.

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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rekrunner wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:
Perhaps you could explain how a higher RBC doesn't mean that more oxygen can be carried for each breath? Or how an improved aerobic capacity requires a runner has to breath harder than when they had lesser aerobic capacity? I'm sure you could produce citations. And another proving the earth is flat, while you are about it.

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I don't make any of these claims, as I haven't yet seen any expert discussion, nor the basis supporting the discussion, on the connection to the breathing rate, either during or post-exercise, associated with an alleged higher throughput capability of oxygen. Once I have seen the expert discussion, and the supporting data and observations, I would be in a better position to form a reasoned opinion, and explain the basis for it. You suggested an inverse relation: higher oxygen throughput leads to reduced breathing. You said it seems too logical. I said this inverse relation seems counter-intuitive.

Recall it was you who made a claim about the significance of breathing on page 1. A fundamentally basic part of intelligent discourse is for you to be able to provide the basis and foundations for your own claims. Telling me that I cannot comprehend a basis that has not been presented does not meet that burden.

With respect to the shape of the earth, around 1000 years ago, the Islamic astronomer Abu Rayhan al-Biruni did a mountain top experiment taking measures of the dip-angle to the horizon, relative to a horizontal gaze. From this measurement, and another measurement of angles to the height of the mountain, he used basic geometry to estimate the radius of the earth to a remarkable degree of accuracy, compared to our current estimates today. If the earth were flat, he would have measured a 0-degree dip-angle, and the radius calculation would have resulted in a division by zero, indicating the infinite radius associated with a plane. Anyone can make predictions from their model, and then perform this experiment for themselves, making the results verifiable, and if applicable, falsifiable.

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What a relief that an ancient astronomer has assured you the earth isn't flat. You would never have known otherwise.

But in respect of "the earth isn't flat" observations I made about breathing being related to a higher RBC and improved aerobic capacity the only alternative position, if you dispute that relationship, is to accept the propositions in the questions I posed above. Logically you are required to maintain the converse of what I argued. So - go ahead and prove it.

I will remind you what my questions were.

- How does a higher RBC not mean that more oxygen can be carried for each breath?

- How does an improved aerobic capacity require a runner to breath harder for the same effort than when they had lesser aerobic capacity?

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Armstronglivs wrote:

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rekrunner wrote:

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Armstronglivs wrote:
Perhaps you could explain how a higher RBC doesn't mean that more oxygen can be carried for each breath? Or how an improved aerobic capacity requires a runner has to breath harder than when they had lesser aerobic capacity? I'm sure you could produce citations. And another proving the earth is flat, while you are about it.

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I don't make any of these claims, as I haven't yet seen any expert discussion, nor the basis supporting the discussion, on the connection to the breathing rate, either during or post-exercise, associated with an alleged higher throughput capability of oxygen. Once I have seen the expert discussion, and the supporting data and observations, I would be in a better position to form a reasoned opinion, and explain the basis for it. You suggested an inverse relation: higher oxygen throughput leads to reduced breathing. You said it seems too logical. I said this inverse relation seems counter-intuitive.

Recall it was you who made a claim about the significance of breathing on page 1. A fundamentally basic part of intelligent discourse is for you to be able to provide the basis and foundations for your own claims. Telling me that I cannot comprehend a basis that has not been presented does not meet that burden.

With respect to the shape of the earth, around 1000 years ago, the Islamic astronomer Abu Rayhan al-Biruni did a mountain top experiment taking measures of the dip-angle to the horizon, relative to a horizontal gaze. From this measurement, and another measurement of angles to the height of the mountain, he used basic geometry to estimate the radius of the earth to a remarkable degree of accuracy, compared to our current estimates today. If the earth were flat, he would have measured a 0-degree dip-angle, and the radius calculation would have resulted in a division by zero, indicating the infinite radius associated with a plane. Anyone can make predictions from their model, and then perform this experiment for themselves, making the results verifiable, and if applicable, falsifiable.

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What a relief that an ancient astronomer has assured you the earth isn't flat. You would never have known otherwise.

But in respect of "the earth isn't flat" observations I made about breathing being related to a higher RBC and improved aerobic capacity the only alternative position, if you dispute that relationship, is to accept the propositions in the questions I posed above. Logically you are required to maintain the converse of what I argued. So - go ahead and prove it.

I will remind you what my questions were.

- How does a higher RBC not mean that more oxygen can be carried for each breath?

- How does an improved aerobic capacity require a runner to breath harder for the same effort than when they had lesser aerobic capacity?

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How does having a higher aerobic capacity reduce the ventilation rate?

Do you even understand the question?

Evidently not.

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