Surgeon General: Vaccine Will Not Prevent Infection, only Reduce Severe Illness. Wear Masks and Continue Social Distancing

Yeah, and the vaccine will probably kill quite a few in the high risk category too- because of their reaction to it . It really is stupid that anyone that is younger and healthy would want to take it at all, or should be made too. It's all about $$$ and control.

mask off wrote:

Yeah, and the vaccine will probably kill quite a few in the high risk category too- because of their reaction to it . It really is stupid that anyone that is younger and healthy would want to take it at all, or should be made too. It's all about $$$ and control.

Jeez. Too bad there’s not a vaccine against ignorance.

My mom tells me that she will vaccinate me.

If that day comes and she still wants to go through with it, I might have to go out for a "long run" on the day of appointment.

Why would people heavily push a vaccine like this onto the youth and minorities like myself? It makes me very suspicious and I will try to avoid the vaccine.

Inaccurate.

It's simply not proven yet if it prevents infection/contagiousness, but initial data looks promising. Pfizer and Moderna are studying it now. AZ included some limited data in their release showing that the vaccine really curtails infectiousness.

We'll probably know more in a few weeks.

philponderphoto wrote:

Jeez. Too bad there’s not a vaccine against ignorance.

There is. It is called the Red Pill.

huh what wrote:

Inaccurate.

It's simply not proven yet if it prevents infection/contagiousness, but initial data looks promising. Pfizer and Moderna are studying it now. AZ included some limited data in their release showing that the vaccine really curtails infectiousness.

We'll probably know more in a few weeks.

That is why you just give it to those in the higher risk group. The other groups (most of the population), will make their own immunity when exposed-and most won't have much of a reaction, without the risk of complications. Many already have already been exposed and are immune. That's how it works!

If they get exposed again, the reaction will be less- or nothing, that is what a vaccine does basically. So maybe those left leaners need to educate themselves about why a vaccine is not needed for the vast majority with his virus. Pretty well it's like a mild flu to most people. These are the facts, like it or not.

Like I said, this is not about common sense, it's about money for the drug companies and control of the population.

That is not what he said. He said that we do not know at this point whether the vaccine prevents transmission. With a respiratory virus, it is often difficult to completely prevent transmission because the protective antibodies are not found in the nose. COVID 19 does appear to infect through the nose and transmission is also through droplets from the nasal passages. It may be that the vaccine prevents transmission completely or it could be that the vaccine reduces the amount of virus people shed and reduces but does not eliminate or it could be that the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission. So, when the vaccine is first distributed, you will have some people who are vaccinated and some who are not. We need to keep social distancing and wearing masks to protect the people who have not been vaccinated.

I had no idea who the incumbent surgeon general was until seeing this.

I have just started to review the report from Pfizer with the actual clinical data, not the web generated regurgitations usually submitted here. It's a large report so I've just had time for a cursory glance but the incidence curve of those receiving placebo vs Dose 1 looks very promising for the vaccine.

This doesn't seem like a true vaccine. Unless they're saying all of this because the virus can mutate. But so can the flu and the flu mutates every year. But we'r enot social distancing for the flu.

They know too little then to be rushing this crap to market then if that's the case. It's not really a vaccine.

huh what wrote:

Inaccurate.

It's simply not proven yet if it prevents infection/contagiousness, but initial data looks promising. Pfizer and Moderna are studying it now. AZ included some limited data in their release showing that the vaccine really curtails infectiousness.

We'll probably know more in a few weeks.

A LRC basement runner posing as an epidemiologist? Hilarious. Some of us actually have degrees in epidemiology. Stay in your lane bro.

pcli5kdoc wrote:

I have just started to review the report from Pfizer with the actual clinical data, not the web generated regurgitations usually submitted here. It's a large report so I've just had time for a cursory glance but the incidence curve of those receiving placebo vs Dose 1 looks very promising for the vaccine.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

A LRC basement runner posing as an epidemiologist? Hilarious. Some of us actually have degrees in epidemiology. Stay in your lane bro.

pcli5kdoc wrote:

I have just started to review the report from Pfizer with the actual clinical data, not the web generated regurgitations usually submitted here. It's a large report so I've just had time for a cursory glance but the incidence curve of those receiving placebo vs Dose 1 looks very promising for the vaccine.

It really is a vaccine. You don't have a degree in epidemiology either. And the people who really do have degrees in epidemiology are the ones who developed it and tested it and have deemed it ready to go.

And on the topic of the thread...there are certain things that we simply cannot possibly know about the vaccine yet. Whether you could still transmit the virus despite being vaccinated and how long the immunity against the virus lasts are two of those things. It's incredibly difficult to determine those things and there simply isn't enough data yet to determine those things. Out of the roughly 20,000 people to be tested with the Pfizer vaccine, there were only 8 people to get COVID-19. So they're dealing with an incredibly small sample size trying to determine the answers to those questions, so there's just no way to know at this point.

what is going to be serious is when the tabloids stat comparing numbers of people who have had the vaccine with people dieing vs the general pop.

People who have been vaccinated will be dieing more than the general pop because they are old and otherwise at risk.

But hey, that wont stop the fearmongering....

or the lawyers.....

Precious Roy wrote:

That is not what he said. He said that we do not know at this point whether the vaccine prevents transmission. With a respiratory virus, it is often difficult to completely prevent transmission because the protective antibodies are not found in the nose. COVID 19 does appear to infect through the nose and transmission is also through droplets from the nasal passages. It may be that the vaccine prevents transmission completely or it could be that the vaccine reduces the amount of virus people shed and reduces but does not eliminate or it could be that the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission. So, when the vaccine is first distributed, you will have some people who are vaccinated and some who are not. We need to keep social distancing and wearing masks to protect the people who have not been vaccinated.

Without infection there is very little virus to spread. This should be the major reason why asymptomatic spread makes little sense. There is just not enough virus in these cases to spur new infections. The dose is what matters and you are not spreading massive amounts of virus required to infect people without being infected. Isn't this the reason why people suggest wearing masks? The SG is being dishonest at best.

People with epidemiology degrees are not the ones developing the vaccines; biochemist, bioengineers, virologists.....not people who study outbreaks and public health issues.

huh what wrote:

Inaccurate.

It's simply not proven yet if it prevents infection/contagiousness, but initial data looks promising. Pfizer and Moderna are studying it now. AZ included some limited data in their release showing that the vaccine really curtails infectiousness.

We'll probably know more in a few weeks.

Inaccurate. Initial data doesn't show anything not already predicted by common sense. A vaccine does not create an impenetrable barrier in your body that bounces off all coronavirus. It helps your body react faster to the virus, which can prevent the virus from multiplying faster and getting you sicker. The virus, however, is in the vaccinated person's body in some number, until the body has eliminated it. If the virus is in a person's body, they are contagious to some degree, even if it is a relatively small degree. We already know that even asymptomatic people can spread coronavirus infection - they are contagious to some degree. And vaccinated people will be contagious as well.

Coronavirus is here to stay - "endemic." What a vaccine can do is lower the number of people needing hospital case (in the seemingly perpetually "almost overwhelmed" without ever actually being "overwhelmed" hospitals). If that happens, the endless focus on the virus may slow down to where we can divert attention to other things.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

A LRC basement runner posing as an epidemiologist? Hilarious. Some of us actually have degrees in epidemiology. Stay in your lane bro.

pcli5kdoc wrote:

I have just started to review the report from Pfizer with the actual clinical data, not the web generated regurgitations usually submitted here. It's a large report so I've just had time for a cursory glance but the incidence curve of those receiving placebo vs Dose 1 looks very promising for the vaccine.

Nope, You are correct, not an epidemiologist but rather a practicing physician for the past 30+ years. During that time I have had the opportunity to read many reports similar to this one. Like I said it is a really big file and will take time for me to fully understand but it does look very promising.

bartholomew_maxwell wrote:

Rather take my chances and not put the vaccine in my body.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9051427/Surgeon-General-Jerome-Adams-says-people-need-wear-masks-vaccine.html

Misleading at best. Pro tip: Get your news elsewhere and it will be unslanted and more accurate.

It is currently UNKNOWN whether these mRNA vaccines prevent INFECTION or only prevent DISEASE.

My guess is they will at least decrease the contagiousness of people who encounter the virus after vaccination. But, time will tell.