•Billy Corgan / All time great guitar player and wrote some of my favorite songs, but he can’t get out of his own way
•Thomas Jefferson / Great ideas about Democracy, not so much about slavery
•Michael Jordan / GOAT; has dead, yellow eyes and holds grudges with the best of them
elvid32 wrote:
GoodTopic wrote:
How do I know? I live in the PNW and went to many Mariner games. Hell of a player, though.
What a knowledgeable gentleman or lady you must be. You "lived in the PNW and went to many Mariner games," so your opinion must be significant.
Well, yeah. What better way to judge a person than to actually see the person in action? From seeing how the guy acts on the field to seeing him arrive and leave the stadium. He's a good example of a guy that never had to work for anything and acted like it.
JKR is a great pick & would be my first choice. It's tough to see the "fights" she is willing to take on publicly when you grew up with the books, and took a lot of your morals from them. They were instrumental for shaping the way a lot of people think about the world. It's kind of incredible that fans are so disappointed in her now because the feeling is that the author is going against the kinds of things people took away from their writing.
I would add Tiger/Lance in. If I watch golf, I'm watching to see how Tiger is doing. I hate doping but somehow fall into the everybody was doping category in Lance discussions.
Michael Jackson is another one. Made great art. I understand that it's hard for so many of us to just boycott any song of his that pops up. So much now is shaped by what he did. But, yeah, he did so many not so great things. Can't just ignore that.
Last wildcard is Pacasso. I have no problem ignoring him & his art altogether. Not interested in the slightest in continuing to elevate him.
three gay men wrote:
Jerry Sandusky
Bruce Jenner
Michael Jackson
All incredible talents who were unable to suppress their homosexual urges and allowed their deviancy to overshadow their accomplishments.
Ok, I know you’re probably just a troll but since this post went ignored I’ll go ahead and bite. Homosexuality is not a character flaw. Sandusky (the worst of this bunch) was by all outward accounts a heterosexual married man. Taking advantage of your position and of parents’ trust to sexually abuse their children is monstrous and he is where he deserves to be. But these were acts of pedophilia and have zero to do with sexual orientation. With Bruce Jenner I assume you’re talking about the transgender? Again, independent of sexual orientation. I was more disturbed when he killed someone in a traffic accident and it was smaller news than whatever was going on with his reality TV escapades at the time. I’m not much of a celeb chaser and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn BJ has serious character flaws but simply being transgender is not one. Finally MJ was accused (never confirmed I think?) of improprieties with underage kids? If true it is monstrous behavior and he is certainly no hero but again, pedophilia is completely unrelated to sexual orientation.
Kevin Spacey
Kelsey Grammer
Michael Richards
whatever ever wrote:
three gay men wrote:
Jerry Sandusky
Bruce Jenner
Michael Jackson
All incredible talents who were unable to suppress their homosexual urges and allowed their deviancy to overshadow their accomplishments.
Ok, I know you’re probably just a troll but since this post went ignored I’ll go ahead and bite. Homosexuality is not a character flaw. Sandusky (the worst of this bunch) was by all outward accounts a heterosexual married man. Taking advantage of your position and of parents’ trust to sexually abuse their children is monstrous and he is where he deserves to be. But these were acts of pedophilia and have zero to do with sexual orientation. With Bruce Jenner I assume you’re talking about the transgender? Again, independent of sexual orientation. I was more disturbed when he killed someone in a traffic accident and it was smaller news than whatever was going on with his reality TV escapades at the time. I’m not much of a celeb chaser and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn BJ has serious character flaws but simply being transgender is not one. Finally MJ was accused (never confirmed I think?) of improprieties with underage kids? If true it is monstrous behavior and he is certainly no hero but again, pedophilia is completely unrelated to sexual orientation.
I'm late to the game here but I'll throw out Alec Baldwin. I think he's actually funny but there's that creepy side that he just "acts" a little too well for my blood. Cringe worthy....
Examples include SNL Canteen Boy skit and Cat in the Hat movie. I had to take my kids to get some ice cream part way through that movie. It was over the kids heads but the parents were kind of looking around and wondering the same thing I was.
Kanye west. Amazing artist, maybe my favorite artist of all time with such a diverse and influential discography. But obviously he does some questionable things such as the Taylor Swift incident.
Jerzy Chores wrote:
1) Mike ‘The Situation’ Sorrentino
2) Prince Andrew
3) Jussie Smollett
I.am.with you on Tyson.
they have some character flaws which aren't major [in my opinion].
1. Tyson
2. Michael Jackson RIP
3. El Diego [Maradona] RIP
4. Samuel Kamau RIP
Come on, at least use the name people know Sameul by...Samuel WANJIRU. But I didn't know him nor ever hear an interview with him, so he cannot be my pick (I did love watching him run though!)
First person that came to mind is Lance Armstrong. No, I don't personally know him either, but I've been cycling for 20+ years and have followed him very closely. I think he is driven, is talented and focused, but yea, he hasn't always been the nicest person (and that's putting it mildly).
At the moment, there is no one else "famous" that I am familiar enough with because I just don't care enough to follow pop culture.
It says something that no runner comes to mind...because most of them seem to have the personalities of a piece of paper. Just blank and boring.
Nick Symmonds seems pretty cool, and at this point, I don't know that he has any flaws worth pointing out. He's doing a nice job trying to popularize running on his YouTube channel (along with his company and himself, but that is fine).