North Dakota: a shining example of how to not handle coronavirus

[quote]highhoppingworm wrote:

I’m unclear what you are doing posting these articles... there is a vast gulf between normal function and hospitals being “overwhelmed”. MA clearly did an exemplary job of flattening the curve but that doesn’t mean that area hospital were functioning “normally” in the late spring nor does it mean they will be functioning “normally” during the winter.

There is actually a vast gulf between "Listen to our large network of physician friends in the Boston area, all of whom consistently say that they have never experienced anything like what they saw in the late spring during their long careers practicing medicine" and Hospitals not being overwhelmed

Caught in a lie about last spring you are now fear mongering about the upcoming winter.

Got it.

Note that some child registered the name "The Other Guy" I was using on this thread.

This is the level of maturity we have come to expect from these Covid Beliebers

What lie are you talking about? I gave you instructions around how to verify my identity. Hell you can even go look at Strava around May 8th and see the fact that I had a newborn. You can check my LinkedIn profile and probably even find out who my wife is if you care to be a super stalker.

I am literally telling you how to verify this but you are just regurgitating “caught in a lie” over and over again.

[quote]a great northern run wrote:

I live in North Dakota. There's definitely something going on. My (Republican, 2A-loving) doctor friends say you do NOT want to be anywhere near a hospital right now. There's no capacity left.

Oh Christ. Another Covid shill with all sorts of doctor friends.

We are now getting the same fear mongering about overwhelmed hospitals in N Dakota that we got in MA last April...which, of course, never happened as I have proven with several articles from the MSM

highhoppingworm wrote:

What lie are you talking about? I gave you instructions around how to verify my identity. Hell you can even go look at Strava around May 8th and see the fact that I had a newborn. You can check my LinkedIn profile and probably even find out who my wife is if you care to be a super stalker.

I am literally telling you how to verify this but you are just regurgitating “caught in a lie” over and over again.

What?

Are you being disingenuous or are you just that simple?

I made no comment on who you are or your newborn.

You lied that "Listen to our large network of physician friends in the Boston area, all of whom consistently say that they have never experienced anything like what they saw in the late spring during their long careers practicing medicine."

I have repeatedly made this clear that this was your lie and have proved with several sources that it is a lie.

Ok. I get it. Your comments are predicated on one of two assumptions:

1) I am lying about the circle of acquaintances we keep. You would clearly have to be a dolt to believe it is unlikely that a married couple with a physician and a biotech worker don’t have a network of acquaintances who are physicians in what is the epicenter of the medical universe. I am hoping we can just cross this one off the list.

2) I am for some reason lying about what these acquaintances report and my wife’s own firsthand experiences. This one is harder to prove. I guess I would ask you why I would lie about something like this? To what end?

I’ll add that you have not disputed at all the the Boston area medical system was under some distress in the late spring and may be trending that direction again. Distress to me = entire wards being blocked off for COVID patients, significant disruption to elective medicine, practitioners forced to work overtime in some cases in areas that are not related to their specialties etc.

highhoppingworm wrote:

What lie are you talking about? I gave you instructions around how to verify my identity. Hell you can even go look at Strava around May 8th and see the fact that I had a newborn. You can check my LinkedIn profile and probably even find out who my wife is if you care to be a super stalker.

I am literally telling you how to verify this but you are just regurgitating “caught in a lie” over and over again.

The only person questioning your identity is you. The lie to which he’s referring is your claim that hospitals are overwhelmed (which they are not), a claim which echos similar claims made earlier in the year which also turned out to be false.

Why on earth you think your wife’s job, her friends jobs, or your own qualifies you to make statements which contradict reality is beyond understanding.

You apparently haven’t been following the conversation very closely...

We are talking about whether the Boston area hospital system was operating normally in the late Spring. What empirical evidence has been provided that indicates that it was? Certainly not any of the links provided.

These lies are attributable to a single character flaw prevalent among the sheep of this nation, a need for attention. It’s not enough anymore for doctors to announce themselves as such at parties, they must now regal us with tall tales of peril and suffering.

[quote]highhoppingworm wrote:

So we have gone from:

"..have never experienced anything like what they saw in the late spring during their long careers practicing medicine." to "..was under some distress in the late spring."

joed1rt wrote:

New York got to herd immunity in about 3 months. It can happen if it runs through a population unabated.

What the hell r u talking about? We don’t have herd immunity here. 2/3 of our population didn’t have it.

Where r u getting this data? It is very much still a real threat here in NYC.

And your true colors come out. You know what? I continuously get baited into these conversations by the anti-fact, anti-science crowd because their false assertions frankly irritate and frustrate me. That said, it is clear there is not a modicum intellectual integrity among most of the posters following this ideology. I have come to the conclusion it is just not worth it. Your opinions aren’t going to change. I do hope you yourselves and your family stay healthy. I also hope you can find peace in the election results and the associated public health driven protocols that will likely follow.

Those two are not mutually exclusive. Now done.

The Unkle wrote:

[quote]highhoppingworm wrote:

So we have gone from:

"..have never experienced anything like what they saw in the late spring during their long careers practicing medicine." to "..was under some distress in the late spring."

And now this:

"We are talking about whether the Boston area hospital system was operating normally in the late Spring."

From the worst thing any doctor has seen in his or her lifetime to not operating normally.

Just admit you got caught in lie. For God's sakes

joed1rt wrote:

It will likely hit herd immunity in a couple of months, but it will be a harsh process, similar to what New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, etc. went through. . . . The reason similar things are not happening in places like NYC isn't because they are doing great with preventative measures, it's because 2/3 New Yorkers likely already have immunity to it.

Just in case anyone didn't already know, the quoted statements are completely full of shit.

NYC has *not* reached herd immunity. A couple months back people were speculating that the communities of Haredim might have reached it--but they had not, and are now back under restrictive measures that (surprise, surprise) are resulting in fewer cases and a lower positivity rate.

And if this poster, or anyone else, can come up with a valid source (so not a blog or YouTube video, etc.) that affirms "2/3 [of] New Yorkers likely already have immunity to it," I will donate $100 to the charity of his/her choice.

I'm not worried about losing my money.

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

[quote]The Unkle wrote:

"We are talking about whether the Boston area hospital system was operating normally in the late Spring."

Pretty sure not operating normally does not a pandemic make.

Now "cases" are soaring. Why? Well, we were told in late April thru September that we were doing a great job in MA with our mask wearing and social distancing and that's why are numbers were so low. Unlike those dumb rednecks. But now cases are surging again. Why? Well because we are not social distancing and wearing masks. I guess everyone in MA just decided to stop doing this in September or October (although anyone who lives here can tell you there is more and more mask wearing all the time).

Keep changing the lies and the sucker are still in.

What's a "case" anyway?

A positive test. Generally with NO symptoms:

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20201009/86-percent-of-the-UKs-COVID-19-patients-have-no-symptoms.aspx

Other guy wrote:

A man was arrested at Children's hospital for filming and showing nothing was going on.

Why would someone expect to find a children's hospital overwhelmed with covid cases? And he should not be allowed to just wander around filming kids.

buff puff wrote:

Other guy wrote:

A man was arrested at Children's hospital for filming and showing nothing was going on.

Why would someone expect to find a children's hospital overwhelmed with covid cases? And he should not be allowed to just wander around filming kids.

He was outside filming.

And actually it was MGH. You are right, Children's would not make much sense

He was told it was a privacy thing....,while right on his videos you could see dozens of cameras on the outside walls of the hospitals.

coronafreedom wrote:

How is it that a state with the fourth youngest population, the fourth least dense population, and one with few tourists ends up in the state that it's in. Hospitals are now at 100% capacity, nurses are asked to continue working even if they had just test positive for COVID-19. Cases and deaths have skyrocketed. Hospitalizations continue to increase at an exponential rate, positivity rate above 25%. Their 7 day average daily death rate of 17.3 may not sound all that troublesome, but would be equal to almost 8000 daily deaths in the country. Not to mention that this death rate seems to continue growing without any sign of slowing down. It is no surprise North Dakota has the lowest mask usage in the country. How is it that such a young, spread out population suffers from COVID this bad?

Another example of how not to handle COVID is Iowa. 31st in total population, 3rd highest case count/1mil people, 38th in tests/1 million people.