How is Sweden doing with COVID-19 today?

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Also, keep in mind that Harambe is an idiot that likes to through useless facts out to make it seem like he is making a point. Yes, we all know Sweden sees more deaths than the other nordics; yes Sweden had 10 deaths the last day and the others zero....so Harambe knows 10 is more than zero, but that is about it. Sweden is also 2x the size of these other countries and much much more diverse. Now, I have written too much because Harambe cannot read this much reading. In the end Harambe is too dumb to get the point of Sweden, the point being if we had done nothing the outcome would have been no worse than all of the other failed nations around the world. So, with their current light death toll during this very scary reemergence of the virus, we should look at Sweden and say...ok, we can do this and get through it. Instead you can listen to Harambe and convince yourself to just give up...it is all over and we all deserve to die because we did not listen to his fear mongering.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Also, keep in mind that Harambe is an idiot that likes to through useless facts out to make it seem like he is making a point. Yes, we all know Sweden sees more deaths than the other nordics; yes Sweden had 10 deaths the last day and the others zero....so Harambe knows 10 is more than zero, but that is about it. Sweden is also 2x the size of these other countries and much much more diverse. Now, I have written too much because Harambe cannot read this much reading. In the end Harambe is too dumb to get the point of Sweden, the point being if we had done nothing the outcome would have been no worse than all of the other failed nations around the world. So, with their current light death toll during this very scary reemergence of the virus, we should look at Sweden and say...ok, we can do this and get through it. Instead you can listen to Harambe and convince yourself to just give up...it is all over and we all deserve to die because we did not listen to his fear mongering.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Also, keep in mind that Harambe is an idiot that likes to through useless facts out to make it seem like he is making a point. Yes, we all know Sweden sees more deaths than the other nordics; yes Sweden had 10 deaths the last day and the others zero....so Harambe knows 10 is more than zero, but that is about it. Sweden is also 2x the size of these other countries and much much more diverse. Now, I have written too much because Harambe cannot read this much reading. In the end Harambe is too dumb to get the point of Sweden, the point being if we had done nothing the outcome would have been no worse than all of the other failed nations around the world. So, with their current light death toll during this very scary reemergence of the virus, we should look at Sweden and say...ok, we can do this and get through it. Instead you can listen to Harambe and convince yourself to just give up...it is all over and we all deserve to die because we did not listen to his fear mongering.

Harambe still considers quite a bit more than nothing to be something, even though it is not. Yes, Sweden makes the good point that all of these forced efforts achieved very little. Despite the fact that the other Nordics whom did not have severe long lasting restrictions not seeing much of a problem either. When you are worried about reaching 300 deaths per day or NYC 1000+ deaths per day 2-10, or even 10-20 in a 10 mil population, is not much different than 0-5 in a 5 mill population; I know this is hard math to understand for some, but they are both essentially zero or at least something normally nobody would notice if we were not so hyper vigilant in our watching the data. This human is still being extremely disingenuous in order to sow fear and push for more shutdowns of people's livelihoods. He likes ruining people's lives I think.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Harambe still considers quite a bit more than nothing to be something, even though it is not. Yes, Sweden makes the good point that all of these forced efforts achieved very little. Despite the fact that the other Nordics whom did not have severe long lasting restrictions not seeing much of a problem either. When you are worried about reaching 300 deaths per day or NYC 1000+ deaths per day 2-10, or even 10-20 in a 10 mil population, is not much different than 0-5 in a 5 mill population; I know this is hard math to understand for some, but they are both essentially zero or at least something normally nobody would notice if we were not so hyper vigilant in our watching the data. This human is still being extremely disingenuous in order to sow fear and push for more shutdowns of people's livelihoods. He likes ruining people's lives I think.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Also, keep in mind that Harambe is an idiot that likes to through useless facts out to make it seem like he is making a point. Yes, we all know Sweden sees more deaths than the other nordics; yes Sweden had 10 deaths the last day and the others zero....so Harambe knows 10 is more than zero, but that is about it. Sweden is also 2x the size of these other countries and much much more diverse. Now, I have written too much because Harambe cannot read this much reading. In the end Harambe is too dumb to get the point of Sweden, the point being if we had done nothing the outcome would have been no worse than all of the other failed nations around the world. So, with their current light death toll during this very scary reemergence of the virus, we should look at Sweden and say...ok, we can do this and get through it. Instead you can listen to Harambe and convince yourself to just give up...it is all over and we all deserve to die because we did not listen to his fear mongering.

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Overall the BIG message from Sweden should be that now even in the throws of covid returning they are not seeing massive amounts of very sick or dying people, they got hit hard and let everyone live and the virus spread around through the healthy population and now we are not seeing devastation and that should be a huge light of hope for the rest of the world that this whole things will continue to get less and less worse and deadly each time it shows up to town and that hiding is lockdown is not going to help, it actually seems to delay this process. Sweden will continue to get a very mild uptick from 0 to 5-20 deaths a day for a while; but this is so mild to many other places even now and very mild to the death rates we saw in the spring.

Budda wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Overall the BIG message from Sweden should be that now even in the throws of covid returning they are not seeing massive amounts of very sick or dying people, they got hit hard and let everyone live and the virus spread around through the healthy population and now we are not seeing devastation and that should be a huge light of hope for the rest of the world that this whole things will continue to get less and less worse and deadly each time it shows up to town and that hiding is lockdown is not going to help, it actually seems to delay this process. Sweden will continue to get a very mild uptick from 0 to 5-20 deaths a day for a while; but this is so mild to many other places even now and very mild to the death rates we saw in the spring.

I am afraid those statements don't age very well.

Last 24 hrs Sweden has reported 42 dead.

(The day before that 40).

5990 newly infected reported in the last 24 hours too.

That latter number is really not good in a population of 10 million (fast catching up with Belgium and Czechia that are suffering badly), and suggests your prediction of 5-20 deaths a day will look rather silly quite fast. (Well.. It already does to be fair)

That said: I do agree with some of what your are writing. The cost of covid is just mind boggling.

What I take from it though is probably quite different than what you do:

Even though I think as a general rule we shouldn't put a price on saving lives, there is definately a case to be made that we seem willing to use ridiculous amounts of money (how many trillions of $$$ by now?) to save predominantly very old people from Covid while on the other hand we use just fractions of that amount to save the globe from the effects of climate change. For me, that priority isn't obvious.

I realize my reason for questioning our priorities are probably very different from yours! ^^

Budda wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

Overall the BIG message from Sweden should be that now even in the throws of covid returning they are not seeing massive amounts of very sick or dying people, they got hit hard and let everyone live and the virus spread around through the healthy population and now we are not seeing devastation and that should be a huge light of hope for the rest of the world that this whole things will continue to get less and less worse and deadly each time it shows up to town and that hiding is lockdown is not going to help, it actually seems to delay this process. Sweden will continue to get a very mild uptick from 0 to 5-20 deaths a day for a while; but this is so mild to many other places even now and very mild to the death rates we saw in the spring.

I am afraid those statements don't age very well.

Last 24 hrs Sweden has reported 42 dead.

(The day before that 40).

5990 newly infected reported in the last 24 hours too.

That latter number is really not good in a population of 10 million (fast catching up with Belgium and Czechia that are suffering badly), and suggests your prediction of 5-20 deaths a day will look rather silly quite fast. (Well.. It already does to be fair)

That said: I do agree with some of what your are writing. The cost of covid is just mind boggling.

What I take from it though is probably quite different than what you do:

Even though I think as a general rule we shouldn't put a price on saving lives, there is definately a case to be made that we seem willing to use ridiculous amounts of money (how many trillions of $$$ by now?) to save predominantly very old people from Covid while on the other hand we use just fractions of that amount to save the globe from the effects of climate change. For me, that priority isn't obvious.

I realize my reason for questioning our priorities are probably very different from yours! ^^

Lead Foil Hat II wrote:

Budda wrote:

I am afraid those statements don't age very well.

Last 24 hrs Sweden has reported 42 dead.

(The day before that 40).

5990 newly infected reported in the last 24 hours too.

That latter number is really not good in a population of 10 million (fast catching up with Belgium and Czechia that are suffering badly), and suggests your prediction of 5-20 deaths a day will look rather silly quite fast. (Well.. It already does to be fair)

That said: I do agree with some of what your are writing. The cost of covid is just mind boggling.

What I take from it though is probably quite different than what you do:

Even though I think as a general rule we shouldn't put a price on saving lives, there is definately a case to be made that we seem willing to use ridiculous amounts of money (how many trillions of $$$ by now?) to save predominantly very old people from Covid while on the other hand we use just fractions of that amount to save the globe from the effects of climate change. For me, that priority isn't obvious.

I realize my reason for questioning our priorities are probably very different from yours! ^^

It is not 40 yesterday and the last, that is back reporting, yes there are more deaths, but the last 7 days have been btw 8 to 18 per day once attributed correctly. I am sure numbers will keep changing with back log additions, but in the end this bump is going to be far far less than the mountain of deaths Sweden saw earlier in the year and far less than that of the new mountains the nations that locked down hard saw earlier this year. Again, Norway, Denmark, etc did not lock down that hard or for that long...because those countries are not as stupid as the rest of Europe or America....they understand moderation. Compare Sweden to France this time around and the mistake of the big lockdown is clear. They never should have happened. Yes, places like Norway or Denmark might be a good model; closing borders was a decent idea....not forcing people to stay inside and shutting down their livelihoods....most people can't run their businesses or remain employed virtually, that in the end will be the deadliest sham of this whole overblown pandemic. We should have treated this virus so much differently from the start and should not repeat the same failed strategy again. Yes, the lockdowns were a massive failure; and nobody should believe that because we beat the exaggerated models that they were a success. Those same modeling groups predicted millions dead from ebola in 2014....another lie. Models are not any of the following, ever; evidence, data, reality...they are hypotheses, often bad ones. This year's models initially used very very bad data, which made them very very bad predictors. Going back now to Sweden, if the models were actually right then Sweden's inaction should have resulted in 100s of thousands of deaths there; but instead they saw death similar to other Euro nations futily shoving their populations into enclosed spaces to keep them safe; 10 years from now that response will be looked back on as a world wide tragedy.

the gullible, selfish and scared right wrote:

anyone real out there? wrote:

Lol. Financial times... Then data supplied by some shady leftist Swedish organization. Weird leftists keep on circulating fraudulent info as fact. Do you have any real information from a unbiased non-leftist source?

FT, yes left leaning, but by no means explicitly shady or swedish. Owned by the Japanese.

Do you have any unbiased, "nOn lEftISttTtt," "non-wacko conspiracy theory-selling" data to provide, or are you just here to pretend as if the whole world is manufacturing a situation that you and your tin foil hatted friends understand?

Present reality and the scope of future history will continue to laugh at you for your idiotic, fact-less and crumbling arguments; you're shouting into the wind, sitting at home on a PC thinking you're REALLY smart because everyone else doesn't get "IT". What's sad, truly sad... is that you, Allen, Lead and the whiny vocal minority that has nothing better to do then camp on the message board believe that personal financial success and personal freedom are the #1 priority, but the rest of us, the rest of the world care about the humanity and health of our fellow citizens. We won't be changing each other's minds because you guys care about yourselves and we care about someone else's.