COVID cases jumped in September. Now COVID deaths are climbing in October. Who could have predicted that???

Thank you for actually digging into the raw data to confirm this! But sadly the endgame for these psychopaths is that there is no endgame - only dogma.

Harambe wrote:

There's no endgame here.

Such denial of common sense

I listed all the comorbidities posted by the CDC and the vast majority are not caused by Covid

This pretense that these comorbidities (94% of Covid deaths have them) are being caused by Covid instead of having been there before a Covid positive test in order to overstate the deadliness of Covid is pathetic.

And yes, 67% is less than 90%. At least you admit that much

If someone dies with multiple causes, it is counted as Covid.

You cannot also count it as pneumonia and stroke, as an example, as then you would have 3 deaths instead of one.

So the 220k dead number is dying "with covid".

Thus ignoring all the other causes.

It's all fear mongering propaganda.

Time to wake up

7 Day Data From Sept 1;

(1) Date

(2)7-Day Cases

(3) 7-Day Deaths

(4) % in 7-day cases from of 9/1

(5) % in 7-day deaths from 9/1

(6) Deaths per Case

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6)

1-Sep 294370 6293 0.0 0.0 2.13778578

2-Sep 280976 6097 -4.6 -3.1 2.169936222

3-Sep 279541 6041 -5.0 -4.0 2.161042566

4-Sep 284459 6024 -3.4 -4.3 2.117704133

5-Sep 283516 5895 -3.7 -6.3 2.079247732

6-Sep 278853 5873 -5.3 -6.7 2.106127601

7-Sep 274550 5713 -6.7 -9.2 2.080859588

8-Sep 255089 5047 -13.3 -19.8 1.978525142

9-Sep 255005 5112 -13.4 -18.8 2.004666575

10-Sep 248359 5191 -15.6 -17.5 2.090119545

11-Sep 241876 5199 -17.8 -17.4 2.149448478

12-Sep 239740 5098 -18.6 -19.0 2.126470343

13-Sep 241169 5053 -18.1 -19.7 2.095211242

14-Sep 248002 5217 -15.8 -17.1 2.103612068

15-Sep 260185 5924 -11.6 -5.9 2.276841478

16-Sep 269834 6001 -8.3 -4.6 2.223959916

17-Sep 276471 5711 -6.1 -9.2 2.065677775

18-Sep 279170 5715 -5.2 -9.2 2.047139736

19-Sep 281884 5631 -4.2 -10.5 1.997630231

20-Sep 283329 5549 -3.8 -11.8 1.958500542

21-Sep 288804 5460 -1.9 -13.2 1.890555532

22-Sep 302246 5236 2.7 -16.8 1.732363704

23-Sep 300943 5213 2.2 -17.2 1.732221716

24-Sep 300815 5279 2.2 -16.1 1.754899191

25-Sep 309296 5135 5.1 -18.4 1.660221923

26-Sep 311711 5262 5.9 -16.4 1.68810212

27-Sep 311518 5270 5.8 -16.3 1.691716049

28-Sep 307431 5221 4.4 -17.0 1.698267253

29-Sep 296001 5140 0.6 -18.3 1.73648062

30-Sep 301254 5015 2.3 -20.3 1.664708186

1-Oct 303148 4955 3.0 -21.3 1.634515154

2-Oct 297313 4939 1.0 -21.5 1.661212258

3-Oct 300296 4831 2.0 -23.2 1.608746037

4-Oct 302320 4868 2.7 -22.6 1.610214342

5-Oct 305041 4963 3.6 -21.1 1.626994404

6-Oct 307887 4871 4.6 -22.6 1.582073943

7-Oct 313161 4733 6.4 -24.8 1.511363165

8-Oct 323168 4876 9.8 -22.5 1.508812754

9-Oct 330489 4949 12.3 -21.4 1.49747798

10-Oct 336169 4857 14.2 -22.8 1.44480901

11-Oct 344680 4959 17.1 -21.2 1.438725775

12-Oct 349843 4901 18.8 -22.1 1.400914124

13-Oct 357117 4963 21.3 -21.1 1.389740617

14-Oct 365232 4913 24.1 -21.9 1.345172384

15-Oct 374482 4827 27.2 -23.3 1.288980512

16-Oct 385515 4816 31.0 -23.5 1.249238032

17-Oct 388873 4957 32.1 -21.2 1.274709224

18-Oct 389879 4894 32.4 -22.2 1.255261248

19-Oct 405588 5047 37.8 -19.8 1.244366204

20-Oct 416608 5158 41.5 -18.0 1.238094324

21-Oct 420113 5416 42.7 -13.9 1.28917696

22-Oct 428233 5523 45.5 -12.2 1.289718448

23-Oct 442881 5546 50.5 -11.9 1.25225512

24-Oct 466786 5642 58.6 -10.3 1.20869092

25-Oct 483801 5622 64.4 -10.7 1.162048032

26-Oct 487416 5580 65.6 -11.3 1.144812645

27-Oct 501930 5708 70.5 -9.3 1.137210368

28-Oct 521091 5646 77.0 -10.3 1.083495973

29-Oct 537345 5668 82.5 -9.9 1.054815807

30-Oct 552695 5687 87.8 -9.6 1.028958105

31-Oct 559505 5752 90.1 -8.6 1.028051581

Other guy wrote:

Such denial of common sense

I listed all the comorbidities posted by the CDC and the vast majority are not caused by Covid

This pretense that these comorbidities (94% of Covid deaths have them) are being caused by Covid instead of having been there before a Covid positive test in order to overstate the deadliness of Covid is pathetic.

And yes, 67% is less than 90%. At least you admit that much

At least try to respond to what people are saying instead of repeating the same disproven stuff ad nauseam.

1) Look at the comorbidity data from the CDC. Now, look at the counts of comorbidities. The majority are respiratory and circulatory conditions -- i.e. things COVID directly effects.

You just listed the names of the co-morbidites and claimed that was evidence of their prevalence. That's non-nonsensical. Like saying you're equally likely to die of a heart attack or a bobcat attack because they both occupy one line on the data table.

2) I ran the numbers and got 78-80% of death certs. with multiple causes in 2018 -- unclear why you decided to ignore my number.

3)The pretense is that ~95% of death certificates with COVID list COVID as the underlying cause. You understand what that means right? They aren't just throwing COVID on at the end...

Sigh... this is the 3rd time I've explained this to you and still no response

Lead Foil Hat II wrote:

7 Day Data From Sept 1;

(1) Date

(2)7-Day Cases

(3) 7-Day Deaths

(4) % in 7-day cases from of 9/1

(5) % in 7-day deaths from 9/1

(6) Deaths per Case

(1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6)

1-Sep 294370 6293 0.0 0.0 2.13778578

2-Sep 280976 6097 -4.6 -3.1 2.169936222

3-Sep 279541 6041 -5.0 -4.0 2.161042566

....

Trimmed because WTF..

The bombshell.

Deaths can go up, and go down, and then go up again.

RUN FOR YOUR LIVES.

Other guy wrote:

If someone dies with multiple causes, it is counted as Covid.

You cannot also count it as pneumonia and stroke, as an example, as then you would have 3 deaths instead of one.

So the 220k dead number is dying "with covid".

Thus ignoring all the other causes.

It's all fear mongering propaganda.

Time to wake up

No this is not how anything works. Lol. You guys tried this in April--and June. It's a bit embarrassing now... find some new talking points!

Harambe wrote:

[quote]Other guy wrote:

Such denial of common sense

I listed all the comorbidities posted by the CDC and the vast majority are not caused by Covid

This pretense that these comorbidities (94% of Covid deaths have them) are being caused by Covid instead of having been there before a Covid positive test in order to overstate the deadliness of Covid is pathetic.

And yes, 67% is less than 90%. At least you admit that much

At least try to respond to what people are saying instead of repeating the same disproven stuff ad nauseam.

1) Look at the comorbidity data from the CDC. Now, look at the counts of comorbidities. The majority are respiratory and circulatory conditions -- i.e. things COVID directly effects.

Your narrative that the Covid is causing the comorbidities is purely a lie. You made this up to fit your story. The comorbidities existed prior to the people getting Covid. I defy you find one source that supports your claime

You just listed the names of the co-morbidites and claimed that was evidence of their prevalence. That's non-nonsensical. Like saying you're equally likely to die of a heart attack or a bobcat attack because they both occupy one line on the data table.

I got the list from the CDC

2) I ran the numbers and got 78-80% of death certs. with multiple causes in 2018 -- unclear why you decided to ignore my number.

CDC says 67% and you originally said 90%.

3)The pretense is that ~95% of death certificates with COVID list COVID as the underlying cause. You understand what that means right? They aren't just throwing COVID on at the end...

The death totals are based on dying with Covid. Not dying due to covid. When selling fear, you don't understate

You really should just ignore Harambe/Precious/Bro etc...don't waste your time with this brain dead individual...it will just keep spinning and spinning a false reality because that is its' paid job. Leave it alone and maybe it will go away just like this virus is.

Das Unkle wrote:

The death totals are based on dying with Covid. Not dying due to covid. When selling fear, you don't understate

You and LFH (1 or 2, they always change it) have just started repeating stuff hoping you can will it into truth.

Underlying cause is the key here.

To dismiss underlying cause data, you have to believe that millions of doctors all around the country are mis-attributing deaths a majority of the time.

AND that there is some other explanation for the 300k plus excess deaths.

The only argument you all have is "the data is imperfect!!1" like +- 5% somehow disproves it all.

When selling fear, you don't understate...can we all agree with this assertion? From here, all you have to ask yourself is, do our governments or press have motive to sell fear? They clearly do and if you don't think they do, your cognitive skills might be Joe Biden level.

WWRD wrote:

When selling fear, you don't understate...can we all agree with this assertion? From here, all you have to ask yourself is, do our governments or press have motive to sell fear? They clearly do and if you don't think they do, your cognitive skills might be Joe Biden level.

So you think the Trump admin is overstating COVID deaths intentionally? Interesting take

I have not seen anyone explain this like Harambe. The concordant evidence of: 1) excess deaths 2) COVID marked on DC as underlying cause 3) No deviation from standard number of comorbidities on DCs 4) No other explanation for excess deaths At best there is a 10-15% of the deaths that fall into the "with COVID" rather than "from COVID," based on changes in number of DCs with commodities - assuming COVID patients don't implicitly have more comorbidities upon death (they probably do). So there is no sane path to claim the 90% of deaths are "fake." Yet they will still try - it always makes my day.

Harambe wrote:

You and LFH (1 or 2, they always change it) have just started repeating stuff hoping you can will it into truth.

Underlying cause is the key here.

To dismiss underlying cause data, you have to believe that millions of doctors all around the country are mis-attributing deaths a majority of the time.

AND that there is some other explanation for the 300k plus excess deaths.

The only argument you all have is "the data is imperfect!!1" like +- 5% somehow disproves it all.

Your argument appears to be that the 220k people who died with Covid all died due to Covid and would be alive today had Covid not appeared.

Yes?

And that the fact that 94% had comorbidities is inconsequential because:

(1) Most people who die have at least one life threatening condition and

(2) That the Covid caused most of these other comorbidities.

Let me ask you.

Can you show me where it is stated that the 220k or so deaths recorded includes only those deaths where Covid was listed as the primary cause?

And any source claiming that many of the comorbidities of those who are in the 220k number were not present prior to Covid but developed as a result of Covid?

You know. Science and data

Other guy wrote:

Your argument appears to be that the 220k people who died with Covid all died due to Covid and would be alive today had Covid not appeared.

Yes?

And that the fact that 94% had comorbidities is inconsequential because:

(1) Most people who die have at least one life threatening condition and

(2) That the Covid caused most of these other comorbidities.

Let me ask you.

Can you show me where it is stated that the 220k or so deaths recorded includes only those deaths where Covid was listed as the primary cause?

And any source claiming that many of the comorbidities of those who are in the 220k number were not present prior to Covid but developed as a result of Covid?

You know. Science and data

Sure, we've been saying this for months. It's nice of you to listen, finally :-)

CDC says ~95% of death certificates list COVID as the underlying cause:

"For the majority of deaths where COVID-19 is reported on the death certificate (approximately 95%), COVID-19 is selected as the underlying cause of death."

from:

I went and grabbed the most recent data for you though:

Divide the sum of COVID-19 Underlying Cause by the sum of COVID-19 Multiple cause for the last rows ("United States" jurisdiction) and I get 92%.

So unless you are saying doctors are massively mis-attributing the true cause of death in these COVID deaths, you need to accept that 92+% are COVID-caused. At best, you could throw out 8% -- although I strongly disagree with doing it -- just giving you the most conservative count.

Here's an article from JHU talking about the dumb 6% w/o cormorbities argument as well, although the underlying cause stat kind of answers your questions for you. Doctors are nearly universally judging people to die OF COVID (i.e. underlying cause).

Let me try again.

Can you show me where it is stated that the 220k or so deaths recorded includes only those deaths where Covid was listed as the primary cause?

And any source claiming that many of the comorbidities of those who are in the 220k number were not present prior to Covid but developed as a result of Covid?

There are several underlying causes and one primary cause.

By the way, there is a financial incentive to list the primary cause as Covid.

Why is that?

Other guy wrote:

Let me try again.

Can you show me where it is stated that the 220k or so deaths recorded includes only those deaths where Covid was listed as the primary cause?

And any source claiming that many of the comorbidities of those who are in the 220k number were not present prior to Covid but developed as a result of Covid?

I gave you the data set from the CDC! If you only sum up the COVID underlying cause column you get: 194k vs 211k if you sum the multiple cause. Like I said, 92% have COVID as the underlying cause.

Here's a quote from the article on comorbidities as well:

"But it's important to understand that some of the comorbidities listed are actually downstream effects of COVID-19—meaning they are symptoms. For example, respiratory failure. Someone could have on their death certificate that they died of both COVID and respiratory failure, but that probably means that COVID-19 caused the respiratory failure, which caused them to die. It's impossible for us to know the individual scenarios from death certificates, but the prevalence of respiratory factors [in the CDC findings] are consistent with being downstream conditions."

But like I said, doctors are uniformly writing death certificates with COVID as the underlying cause -- they are saying that COVID is what killed these people, not other conditions.

Since you appear to refuse to read or do math, I'm not sure how to present this data.

How can I be more clear?

There are something like 300k excess deaths this year. What is your alternative explanation if all of these COVID deaths are fake...

During a pandemic doesn't it make sense to strongly incentivize mitigation? At the outset there were lots of unknowns so reimbursing for the extra expenses incurred for protection/testing/quarantine makes sense. Why would a COVID outbreak not cost more than regular medical proceedings? You're looking for conspiracies in allllllll the wrong places, bro

Other guy wrote:

There are several underlying causes and one primary cause.

By the way, there is a financial incentive to list the primary cause as Covid.

Why is that?