Ok, but seriously...when will masks go away.

NY massively screwed up the response to the virus. Unbelievable.

So you are saying the 200k+ COVID deaths and 250k++ excess deaths in the USA, not to mention a similar trend all over the world, are just made up?

That is the crux of your argument -- man up and take that position if you are trying to downplay the pandemic like this.

I realize nothing can shake your faith in the Voodoo Killer Virus from Venus and how a manufactured pandemic seems to give your life meaning but facts are facts:

Mark Oakford has shown that 96% of the 20,000 patients dying of influenza, pneumonia and COVID had their deaths attributed to COVID.

Harambe wrote:

Plenty of other countries have near our death/pop numbers in the developed world.

Death from WHAT, you self-righteous buffoon? Do you really expect me to look up to you for lying some more?

The other "developed" countries with near our "covid" numbers did exactly the same thing as the US - cooked the data. This was at least a minor scandal in the UK.

Excess deaths in urban areas leads to no more sequiturs than excess deaths in general. Where were the lockdowns, generally? The urban areas. Where's the population growth? Urban areas again. You're about as smart as a bucket of pig slop and as moral as the pigs that eat it. Stop preaching to people.

My advice to you, as with all manically-depressed trolls, is to find something you enjoy that isn't about being nasty. And yes, I was nasty to you back, but you asked for it.

This is the best 'covid' related thread on Letsrun in a long time. It gives me some hope to see that the truth is being said, and that the hysterical covid cult ninnies are starting to look obviously pathetic in their responses.

Wigins if you looked at the timing of the excess deaths for about 5 seconds you can clearly see that they don't line up with deaths from lockdown.

Why did they peak just a couple of weeks into lockdown and then taper off as the lockdown went longer and longer....gee that timing sure fits the profile of a virus much better than lockdown induced deaths doesn't it?

....then now they rise again as lockdowns were loosened in the fall.

And nowhere has it been shown that the number of immediate lockdown deaths would equal anything close to the numbers we saw. People talk about suicides etc....as if a few hundred extra suicides explains over 60,000 extra deaths in a month. Meanwhile, car accident rates plummeted.

Also, previously in this thread, you stated 'population growth' as a reason for the spike in deaths...lol

how can anyone see a curve that is flat all year and then shoots straight in April and attribute it to population growth? yes, some tiny fraction is due to population growth year over year, but anyone with half a brain can see your assertion is ludicrous.

I'll quote you back to you:

"Have you even looked at charts???"

Allen53

you have no logical and reasonable explanation for the sudden surge in excess deaths in the US. None.

on one hand we have the best scientists in the world saying 200,000 extra people in the US have died from this new virus.... and on the other hand we have you with a few links, saying that almost no hs dies from it.

What do the numbers say? 200,000 extra people have died this year.

why on earth would anyone side with you? The numbers just don't line up. It renders all your rantings moot.

who cares if you can duct tape together 15 tin foil hat theories together to try to save face from the fact that you have been dramatically and demonstrably wrong from the get go.

Let it go, buddy, the stress has got to be killing you.

Bad Wigins wrote:

My advice to you, as with all manically-depressed trolls, is to find something you enjoy that isn't about being nasty. And yes, I was nasty to you back, but you asked for it.

lol, this rich coming from the guy who was calling everyone who was right about this virus back in March every single name in the book. Remember all the names you called people just for suggesting there could be .....(gasp)....100,000 cases in the US? ?

7 million cases later and have you apologized? no, ...you're still here whining your little snowflake heart out about how people just need to listen to you..that you've been right all along and anyone that disagrees with you is a moran....

give it a rest mate....you were wrong. It happens. show some dignity for once.

Herman Cain was like you and didn't like to wear masks.

He still doesn't wear one and never will.

five's a crowd wrote:

Allen53

you have no logical and reasonable explanation for the sudden surge in excess deaths in the US. None.

on one hand we have the best scientists in the world saying 200,000 extra people in the US have died from this new virus.... and on the other hand we have you with a few links, saying that almost no hs dies from it.

What do the numbers say? 200,000 extra people have died this year.

why on earth would anyone side with you? The numbers just don't line up. It renders all your rantings moot.

who cares if you can duct tape together 15 tin foil hat theories together to try to save face from the fact that you have been dramatically and demonstrably wrong from the get go.

Let it go, buddy, the stress has got to be killing you.

I side with him. And at first I was 'tAkiNg teh vIrUs SeRiouSlY' as anyone. But did you not see all the propaganda that was out there even in MARCH? That tipped me off quickly that there was something going on. "There will be a New Normal" headlines were everywhere, with timelines put out there like "this will last 18 months to two years". There was nothing logical about those claims. But they were EVERYWHERE, as if the timeline and response had been decided no matter what was really going on.

You keep bleating '200,000 deaths'. There is no logical reason to believe there are 200,000 deaths caused by supposed covid. All the information you need to unravel the narrative is out there guys. It's not even hidden.

1. Any human that ever 'tested positive' who then died, no matter the cause, is counted as a 'coronavirus death'. This is admitted. Even when there is a "clear alternate cause" of death. They're not even hiding this.

2. false positive tests are extremely common and actually seem to be outnumbering true positive tests. Again this has been ADMITTED, even by the New York Times.

Of course excess deaths are up. Because overdose deaths are WAY up, suicides are up 20+%, and people are dying from preventable causes because they're terrified to go to the hospital or they're not even allowed to. 'Elective procedure' medical visits were freaking banned for months. As far as supposed 'virus deaths', the ones that actually happened, they're clearly MOSTLY medical malpractice deaths. Ventilators were murder. They were incentivized murder tools. People were put on them until they died, and the money rolled in to hospitals and states because of it. There have been multiple whistleblower nurses and doctors trying to tell people this. It was completely evil.

Wake up people, for your own good. The government has never given a single f*ck whether you live or die. They care about how they can manipulate and control the masses, no matter the cost to human life and human dignity.

ok.....listen up ...and take notes....because I'm going to absolutely destroy this false notion that the you've somehow held onto this long. This way you won't have to bring it up again.

1. total excess deaths has nothing to do with how a death is tagged

2. total excess deaths has nothing to do with how a death is tagged

3. 'Because overdose deaths are WAY up': show me the numbers. Does it come close to 20,000 extra a week? i find that hard to believe in a country that averages a little more than 1,000 a week.

And why the sudden HUGE surge right at the beginning then a steady tapering off? That's the opposite of what we'd expect.

Same with people dying from missing health care screening etc.....suddenly we have 20,000 people a week dying because they missed a cancer screening? after two weeks? that's how cancer works? then those results taper off as well the longer the lockdown goes on? Makes zero sense. ZERO.

In the end, I have yet to a reliable study that even shows that all the extra short term deaths at the beginning of the lockdown from all the causes you listed would even offset the decrease in deathis from a 50% drop in auto accidents and obvious drop in work related deaths, let alone explain ~ 75,000 extra deaths in a month. You mentioned a 20% rise in suicides. That's an extra 800 deaths in a month.

And again, the pattern of excess deaths doesn't fit the curve of lockdown induced suicides, which should have increased over time, not tapered off.

Yes, the lockdown caused some extra deaths, many of which are long term consequences that we haven't even seen yet. But there absolutely zero credible sources that attributes anything even remotely CLOSE to the 75,000 extra deaths we say in April to the causes you listed. Not even 10%. Zero. None.

If suicides and overdoses are up 20%, that would be barely over 2,000 extra deaths in month.......barely 3% of the total rise in deaths we actually saw....barely offsetting the drop in deaths from auto accidents.....and we haven't even gotten to massively decreased workplace-related deaths yet.

You say that the 200k deaths are CLEARLY most medical malpractice deaths, then proceed to give absolutely zero evidence or reasoning for that. When we're talking about 75,000 deaths in a month you can't just link to a couple of anecdotal cases. Either post credible evidence of tens of thousands of people dying from ventilator malpractice a week or stfu.

Bottom line, there are no longer any intelligent, well-informed people honestly trying to claim that COVID hasn't caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans. The evidence to the contrary is simply too overwhelming.

Good lord, for someone who doesn't read you certainly are a condescending imbecile. I didn't claim excess deaths had anything to do with how they're TAGGED. The 200k number you attribute to a virus is not factual, and that has been ADMITTED by medical professionals who tell the public straight up that a death is tagged corona even when the person died of another cause. So what are people dying from? Mostly old age and heart attacks still, except now that's called 'corona'. You do realize that the guidelines for defining coronavirus deaths are entirely new and different from past guidelines given to tag a death as being caused by a disease? If past guidelines were used, the number you bandy about would be less than 10,000. Here is the CDC document explaining the rule change:

And here is an example of it being implemented, where someone who would have under previous guidelines been tagged as having died of complications from diabetes, is now a 'corona death'. WITHOUT EVEN HAVING TESTED POSITIVE. Note that it says, NO LAB CONFIRMATION.

Excess deaths are occurring for many reasons that you dismiss. If you truly believe that shutting down normal human functioning and medical care and people's income for eight months isn't going to kill people I don't know what to tell you. You're absolutely hopeless and I'm done wasting my time trying to help you. Good luck with the New World Order. Unfortunately you may only see the light when they line you up in a concentration camp. We're all f*cked because people like you blindly worship totalitarian governments again and again despite all of civilized history showing where it leads. Godspeed.

Masks are just stupid.

Think about it.

I, feeling perfectly fine, walk towards another person, also not coughing or sneezing, at a leisurely three miles per hour. He or she is walking towards me at the same pace.

For a split second we pass within four feet of each other.

This is a possibly deadly encounter due to these highly infectious and deadly pandemic.

Someone's granny might die.

But, if we each are wearing a $4 mask made in China, all is good. Nobody gets hurt.

Masks are stupid and a problem on a few levels. There are surely some health issues with wearing a mask several hours per day. The population has been split into the pro and anti maskers. Covering human faces and hiding facial expressions is not a good thing.

The real problem (beyond the fear that has been generated) is of course the lockdowns and the resultant destruction of hundreds of millions of lives.

Even if you believe the Covid pandemic narrative, you should be able to see that any good coming from these lockdowns (and that is another debates) is dwarfed by the damage they are doing.

So even you Covid believers need to help in resisting these lockdowns

Other guy wrote:

I, feeling perfectly fine, walk towards another person, also not coughing or sneezing, at a leisurely three miles per hour. He or she is walking towards me at the same pace.

For a split second we pass within four feet of each other.

This is a possibly deadly encounter due to these highly infectious and deadly pandemic.

This is what I find absurd. I'm not complaining about wearing a mask on trains or planes in tight confines. Even stores...I don't love it, and it seems silly because you're never that close to anyone for a prolonged period, but I'll deal with it for now.

But outside? Walking down the street? Standing around while my kid plays on a playground? This virus simply isn't contagious enough for that to be a risk. Let the outdoors be mask-free, please.

Chris Christie says trumps wrong wrote:

Herman Cain was like you and didn't like to wear masks.

He still doesn't wear one and never will.

Unlike me, Cain had two life threatening cancers.

The odds of him being alive to die "with" covid was @ 5% a few years ago.

five's a crowd wrote:

Bad Wigins wrote:

My advice to you, as with all manically-depressed trolls, is to find something you enjoy that isn't about being nasty. And yes, I was nasty to you back, but you asked for it.

lol, this rich coming from the guy who was calling everyone who was right about this virus back in March every single name in the book. Remember all the names you called people just for suggesting there could be .....(gasp)....100,000 cases in the US? ?

7 million cases later and have you apologized? no, ...you're still here whining your little snowflake heart out about how people just need to listen to you..that you've been right all along and anyone that disagrees with you is a moran....

give it a rest mate....you were wrong. It happens. show some dignity for once.

Precious Roy, Harambe? How many names do you use on this site? Those in the beginning clamoring were not right. They did creatively make an effort to constantly change their predictions. You state there is not evidence that excess deaths are from lockdowns, but there is really not much on the other end either....it is all assumption. We will never know now as the mechanism for attributing deaths pushed for labeling as covid; likely not out of some some of conspiracy on the hospital level, but to ensure legal safety and also financial security through the chaos via increased payments for covid deaths; that is a reasonable hypothesis because the motives were there and the legal protections were there for hospitals if they labeled deaths as covid. Why would any hospital take the chance and label a death as something else and risk getting sued for stirring an outbreak of virus or panic; all hospitals and care facilities have played it safe and declared covid as much as possible to avoid legal issues and save the finances of their institutions. It is that simple. You cannot just assume all excess deaths are covid and make it true. The reality is that many years there are spikes in excess deaths in March through May, but you choose to only look at the last three years for comparison.

Runningart2004 wrote:

COVID deniers sound like flat earthers and people who tried to tell us smoking doesn't cause lung cancer...

Some of you are dangerous and stupid people.

Alan

COVID pushers sound like woman hating pedophiles who try to convince people bigfoot & unicorns are real, while sodomizing and molesting kids in their basement torture chamber all the while supporting violent regimes that claim people can be witches and wizards and must be stoned to death or burned at stake.

Go back to your hole you old fool. And quit watching fantasy programming designed for gullible suckers.

Yes, masks are incredibly stupid. I can’t believe so many people think they actually do anything. If they worked then why are we seeing these spikes in cases despite all these stupid mask mandates.

Then you have this school in Michigan with all the COVID restrictions and mask requirements only to have strep throat spread through the school forcing the school to close. How are all these kids getting strep is masks work so well? Because masks don’t work!

Staff in most places are not made aware of any dangers associated with mask or face covering wearing, are not briefed on what signs to look for or the initial 1st aid steps to take in the eventually that a member of staff or a customer is taken ill in-store.

There are hazards and illnesses physical and mental of prolonged mask wearing.

As there is very, very little anecdotal evidence supporting the wearing of masks – even the CDC/WHO clowns admit this – and the reasons being given out by government and from NGOs do not make sense nor include any science or medical facts the question to ask is why the push for mass mask wearing?

One more point, risk assessments are just regurgitated government and council guidelines and WHO press releases etc put into a corporate spread sheet and contain no reference to real research.

There is much evidence freely available by many independent researchers and specialists not attached to Pharma that is increasing by the day that maskers are not “following the science” as they claim but making it up as they go along.

just.....wow.

What on earth are you going on about?

First you say: "I didn't claim excess deaths had anything to do with how they're TAGGED. "

.....and then proceed to go on and on about how deaths are mistagged as Covid.

Nothin I said had anything to do with that.

It's like the entire concept continues to elude you.

200,000 extra people have died. this has nothing to do with how they are tagged.

75,000 died in the first few weeks, that's the number that blows your COVID denials out the window. No explanation you have tried to give comes even close to explaining that. You have provided zero real data to come even close to explaining that.

Your explanation of it being a result of an 8 month economic and medical shutdown fall completely flat once you realize that it peaked in the first few weeks. Your explanation becomes nonsensical and you have backed with zero hard data and it just doesn't hold up under any real examination at all.

But you are determined to hold onto it in face of all evidence.