Would you care to update your first post to reflect that it is not the WHO flip flopping to say no lockdowns but rather one country’s envoy to the WHO that is only advocating for lockdowns as part of a multi-pronged approach? Otherwise I feel that it is willfully misleading.
Yes Allan, "makes poor people poorer", but this virus also makes the living people dead people.
appleswan wrote:
Let's dig deeper into this wrote:
It seems these head of states don't want to just lockdown the elderly/most vulnerable while letting this "coronavirus" run it's course with thecyoung & healthy. Instead, it's constant panic mode and they'll just lock up everybody ruining more lives! ?
Because genius it's not possible to just lockdown the elderly and vulnerable - they usually need the most contact from the young and healthy to help them live.
Alright wiseguy what do you propose to do? Just lock down the hell out of everybody over a hyped up, overblown cold virus that is hard on the old, feeble & sickly.
real info wrote:
I'm glad to see Allen53 finally endorsing the WHO's advice. Please heed its advice to individuals:
If COVID-19 is spreading in your community, stay safe by taking some simple precautions, such as physical distancing, wearing a mask, keeping rooms well ventilated, avoiding crowds, cleaning your hands, and coughing into a bent elbow or tissue. Check local advice where you live and work. Do it all!
See more here:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-publicI'm glad Allen53 is also endorsing their Mythbusters page:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-bustersStay safe, people.
This is all that EVER should have been done. No closing businesses. We are going to be reaping the effects of that for a very long time to come.
Let's dig deeper into this wrote:
appleswan wrote:
Because genius it's not possible to just lockdown the elderly and vulnerable - they usually need the most contact from the young and healthy to help them live.
Alright wiseguy what do you propose to do? Just lock down the hell out of everybody over a hyped up, overblown cold virus that is hard on the old, feeble & sickly.
It's inevitable we're going to have to lockdown.
If we'd been able to develop effective strategies of mass testing and tracing like some East Asian countries have done the lockdown could be more targetted. Unfortunately the govt can't seem to organize even the most basic things.
If we'd been able to secure people's incomes and/or our citizens and businesses were better prepared, a lockdown would be easier. Unfortunately our economy leaves most people with too much month at the end of their paycheck.
If we'd been able to take this seriously easier we might have had a handle on it. Unfortunately the wonders of the internet have poisoned people's minds to think a wearing a mask is some massive inconvenience.
We need to learn these lessons! This is unlikely to be the only novel virus this century.
why do you care? wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
Or he may not want to become one of them due to the repeated lockdowns.
If going without a job for a year or two makes you poor, you were already poor before the lockdown started. Those of us who have acted like adults and worked hard to put bread on the table aren't worried.
Anyway, most non-poors have jobs that can be done remotely, so the lockdowns shouldn't really impact those who aren't already members of the lower class.
If you would care to take a look at history, it’s usually the poors who end up burning people like you. I’d gladly nail you and your office buddies to a cross.
2600 bro. wrote:
No serious epidemiologist is advocating for lockdowns you stupid piece of garbage
He's not an scientist, just a politicalhack with power, and he wanted more lockdowns.
https://coronavirus.medium.com/we-can-eliminate-covid-19-if-we-want-to-64abc91ccc1cWow,
Who knew that the WHO actually employed someone with a basic understanding of economics. Perhaps they should require epidemiologists to take economics courses.
https://www.aier.org/article/what-economists-can-teach-epidemiologists/
Here is the evil you lockdown liberals promote:
quoted from the article posted by the op:
“This is a terrible, ghastly global catastrophe actually,” he added. “And so we really do appeal to all world leaders: Stop using lockdown as your primary control method, develop better systems for doing it, work together and learn from each other, but remember – lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.”
Lockdowns are awful. There isn't a person alive who wants them. Not one. The spin by the right that the Dems want it is nonsense. NOBODY wants them. The people who have nothing are obviously in a worse position than the haves in lockdowns. Lockdowns should only be used as a last resort. Since Trump doesn't have any kind of a plan, there isn't anything left to do. It's the only resort in many cases. EVERY school as an example should have tests for every kid available every day. Contact tracing works if done right. These are effective control methods.
THIS is why Allen needs to be band. He misrepresents everything. He's a shining example of whats wrong with America
appleswan wrote:
Let's dig deeper into this wrote:
Alright wiseguy what do you propose to do? Just lock down the hell out of everybody over a hyped up, overblown cold virus that is hard on the old, feeble & sickly.
It's inevitable we're going to have to lockdown.
If we'd been able to develop effective strategies of mass testing and tracing like some East Asian countries have done the lockdown could be more targetted. Unfortunately the govt can't seem to organize even the most basic things.
If we'd been able to secure people's incomes and/or our citizens and businesses were better prepared, a lockdown would be easier. Unfortunately our economy leaves most people with too much month at the end of their paycheck.
If we'd been able to take this seriously easier we might have had a handle on it. Unfortunately the wonders of the internet have poisoned people's minds to think a wearing a mask is some massive inconvenience.
We need to learn these lessons! This is unlikely to be the only novel virus this century.
It would really benefit everyone in the end if gullible paranoid antisocials like yourself would get out of the basement, turn off that CNN, and start thinking. So it seems you've entrenched yourself with the thought that the magical face mask will save the world.
Those not complying are evil and stupid, as CNN says they are, and if you point out the fact that mask wearing vs non mask wearing has not made a difference in multiple countries, if you point out the fact that the primary reason we are forced to wear a mask in some states/countries is because that is a very effective way of visually showing to everyone that we are living in a terrifying pandemic and must constantly be in fear and live in hysteria, then you're a non-compliant, a heretic, a white supremacist, a Trumper, a grandma killer.
All classic strategic used by evil regimes. Instill propaganda to the masses and there will always be plenty of gullibles to to suck it all up. Vilify and harm all the dissenters. This is how things like NAZI Germany rose to power. This is how communist Saudi, China & North Korea are holding on to their power. Enough people believe the propaganda.
Fortunately it seems most people world wide have not been poisoned by this ridiculous narrative.
Lockdown lunatics are almost always those who can sequester in their homes and still receive a salary for doing such important work as "digital learning" or sitting in idiotic zoom meetings considering how to maintain their salaries and their suburban lifestyles. These people are lying every single moment of every single day about reality:
https://twitter.com/Brixton_Ben26/status/1315316523439980545
FailedAgain wrote:
quoted from the article posted by the op:
“This is a terrible, ghastly global catastrophe actually,” he added. “And so we really do appeal to all world leaders: Stop using lockdown as your primary control method, develop better systems for doing it, work together and learn from each other, but remember – lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.”
Lockdowns are awful. There isn't a person alive who wants them. Not one. The spin by the right that the Dems want it is nonsense. NOBODY wants them. The people who have nothing are obviously in a worse position than the haves in lockdowns. Lockdowns should only be used as a last resort. Since Trump doesn't have any kind of a plan, there isn't anything left to do. It's the only resort in many cases. EVERY school as an example should have tests for every kid available every day. Contact tracing works if done right. These are effective control methods.
THIS is why Allen needs to be band. He misrepresents everything. He's a shining example of whats wrong with America
The censor chimes in- and can't even spell- let me tell you I have no musical talent so I can't form a band.
But of course people who use critical thinking are "what's wrong with America" not the fascist liberals who avoid every single non bought off scientist who assert lockdowns never work and that it is the worst possible strategy for any viral event.
Ask yourself every day why it is you are in full support of teen suicides you scumbag. That is precisely what you support when you support "lockdowns" and no matter how many times you create the "Trump" straw man the reality of these horrors that you endorse does not change.
Maybe Fauci collecting millions over the years as a slime ball DC bureaucrat and Big Pharma conduit might be a bit more of a problem than an internet poster on a running site. No doubt that's too much for your tiny brain to consider.
what happens when you're insane but think you're sane? wrote:
It would really benefit everyone in the end if gullible paranoid antisocials like yourself would get out of the basement, turn off that CNN, and start thinking. So it seems you've entrenched yourself with the thought that the magical face mask will save the world.
Those not complying are evil and stupid, as CNN says they are, and if you point out the fact that mask wearing vs non mask wearing has not made a difference in multiple countries, if you point out the fact that the primary reason we are forced to wear a mask in some states/countries is because that is a very effective way of visually showing to everyone that we are living in a terrifying pandemic and must constantly be in fear and live in hysteria, then you're a non-compliant, a heretic, a white supremacist, a Trumper, a grandma killer.
All classic strategic used by evil regimes. Instill propaganda to the masses and there will always be plenty of gullibles to to suck it all up. Vilify and harm all the dissenters. This is how things like NAZI Germany rose to power. This is how communist Saudi, China & North Korea are holding on to their power. Enough people believe the propaganda.
Fortunately it seems most people world wide have not been poisoned by this ridiculous narrative.
Wow, where did I say masks are going to save the world? One line of my post was about masks and yet you return with an essay. And you only mention basements because you've overheard someone on talk radio say it.
But sure buddy, I'm the paranoid, hysteric one with a mind full of propaganda.
The flip-flopping by Fauci (masks) and the WHO (lockdowns) are indicative of the fact that they are political puppets doing the herky-jerky mambo dance to the whims of their corporate masters. A complete political sham at every level.
YMMV wrote:
The flip-flopping by Fauci (masks) and the WHO (lockdowns) are indicative of the fact that they are political puppets doing the herky-jerky mambo dance to the whims of their corporate masters. A complete political sham at every level.
Aren't you the Meat Guy?
YMMV wrote:
The flip-flopping by Fauci (masks) and the WHO (lockdowns) are indicative of the fact that they are political puppets doing the herky-jerky mambo dance to the whims of their corporate masters. A complete political sham at every level.
Guidance on masks changed once it was demonstrated COVID could be transmitted in the air rather than just from surfaces.
The WHO said lockdowns are not the answer long term and there are better strategies (i.e. test, trace and track any contacts). Much of the world has developed this which means they can have more localized strategies.
Without an effective program, cyclical lockdowns are inevitable, causing unnecessary hardship and economic destruction.
comedyrelief wrote:
YMMV wrote:
The flip-flopping by Fauci (masks) and the WHO (lockdowns) are indicative of the fact that they are political puppets doing the herky-jerky mambo dance to the whims of their corporate masters. A complete political sham at every level.
Aren't you the Meat Guy?
Yes, him, and your mom.
I care.
I have several friends in SouthEast Asia that depend upon tourism. Their livelihoods have been wrecked.
Since day one of these stupid lockdowns I have said that tens of millions worldwide will die from poverty, starvation and despair than from the Covid hysteria.
I’m sadly going to be right.
Wait, I thought that WHO was the bad guy - part of some global conspiracy for one world government and trafficking in infants in some pizza parlor or something.
I'm so confused. Just can't keep up with your talking points.
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