Sweden wow do very good

Doing so good that other Euro countries are sneakily trying to follow in their footsteps:

In response to the recent outbreaks, many European countries are imposing new restrictions. But political leaders, anxious to avoid uIn response to the recent outbreaks, many European countries are imposing new restrictions. But political leaders, anxious to avoid unpopular and economically disastrous lockdowns, are relying mostly on social-distancing measures, while trying to preserve a degree of normalcy, with schools, shops, restaurants and even bars open.

In essence, some experts say, they are quietly adopting the Swedish approach.

“Today, all of the European countries are more or less following the Swedish model, combined with the testing, tracing and quarantine procedures the Germans have introduced, but none will admit it,” said Antoine Flahault, director of the Institute of Global Health, in Geneva. “Instead, they made a caricature out of the Swedish strategy. Almost everyone has called it inhumane and a failure.”npopular and economically disastrous lockdowns, are relying mostly on social-distancing measures, while trying to preserve a degree of normalcy, with schools, shops, restaurants and even bars open.

In essence, some experts say, they are quietly adopting the Swedish approach.

“Today, all of the European countries are more or less following the Swedish model, combined with the testing, tracing and quarantine procedures the Germans have introduced, but none will admit it,” said Antoine Flahault, director of the Institute of Global Health, in Geneva. “Instead, they made a caricature out of the Swedish strategy. Almost everyone has called it inhumane and a failure.”

Although the Times can't help itself from chastising them about not wearing masks, even though they are doing absolutely wonderfully without them.

They can't admit that masks are stupid.

Masks are the band-aid on the societal cancer of crappy diet and lifestyle. Addressing the root problem would ensure whoever suggesting it gets booted or bullied out.

Seriously why you hating on masks when they have been proven to dramatically decrease virus spread up to 85% maybe even higher

And they're not even that uncomfortable or big of a deal if you just get a good quality cloth mask that's easy to take on and take off and wash

Do you also scorn sunglasses winter jackets gloves shoes cooking food and any other technology that proven effective

Seriously just do an honest review of the evidence and you'll see that masks are overwhelmingly effective especially with a respiratory virus

There's a reason that surgeons have been wearing them for over a hundred years because they reduce transmission of diseases

But I don't see what the big deal about putting a mask on when you're in close proximity like shopping or in a crowded City Street. Again like it's maybe an few hours a day three times a week for the average person.

Asian countries that wear a lot of masks have a million to one transmission while the United States has 2,000 to 1 transmission

That's a 500 x reduction just look at any reputable journal or news site and you'll see the evidence is overwhelming that they dramatically decreased transmission

Don't know what else to say the Earth is round. Seat belts save lives. Masks save lives from the Coronavirus.. And don't run with scissors or eat yellow snow simple simple simple

This above!

Been saying this since day one of the silly mask mandates.

Instead of requiring masks, how about requiring diets and exercise and FitBits for anyone that needs to shorten their belts.

Masks DO NOT save lives.

You cannot show me one person whose life has been saved due to others wearing masks around said person.

Not one.

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Liberals go home devastated. Again. Fake scientific data coming soon.

Do you also scorn sunglasses winter jackets gloves shoes cooking food and any other technology that proven effective

There's a reason that surgeons have been wearing them for over a hundred years because they reduce transmission of diseases

First of all, I don't care if they work or not. They suck and aren't worth it to prevent transmission of a mild illness. Second, nobody forces you to wear sunglasses or a coat or whatever other nonsense you're comparing it to. You want to run outside naked in January? Go for it, I don't care, just as I don't care if you wear a mask or not.

Third, the surgeon comparison is so tired. Surgeons wear masks primarily to keep blood spatter out of their own mouths. As far as disease transmission goes, they are spending hours staring into holes they have cut into your body, so sure, maybe a decent risk there.

Breathing while I walk past you in the park or in the produce aisle is not the same as accidentally drooling into your open skull cavity.

The main reason masks are getting mandated is because everyone stopped distancing and let it all get out of control.

They were not necessary in the UK in August, when 2 or 3 people per 100,000 were infected. They make perfect sense now when it's 240 per 100,000, because we are trying everything to bring it down again. People cough and sneeze and that spreads spray; masks interfere with that. They also remind you not to touch your face by mistake.

If masks were so ineffective, how did they prevent Japan from getting almost anything even as millions continued to ride crowded subways in Tokyo? If they were so ineffective, why did seasonal flu drop 99% in the Southern Hemisphere in their winter this year?

Again with Sweden:

Death Rate per Million:

Sweden 583

Denmark 115

Finland 62

Norway 51

You say that they weren't necessary in the UK in August, but how did they get from low spread in August to large spread now? Had they continued to mask up and keep the pubs closed, they'd still have low rates.

"One category of evidence comes from laboratory studies of respiratory droplets and the ability of various masks to block them. An experiment using high-speed video found that hundreds of droplets ranging from 20 to 500 micrometers were generated when saying a simple phrase, but that nearly all these droplets were blocked when the mouth was covered by a damp washcloth. Another study of people who had influenza or the common cold found that wearing a surgical mask significantly reduced the amount of these respiratory viruses emitted in droplets and aerosols.

But the strongest evidence in favor of masks come from studies of real-world scenarios. “The most important thing are the epidemiologic data,” said Rutherford. Because it would be unethical to assign people to not wear a mask during a pandemic, the epidemiological evidence has come from so-called “experiments of nature.”

A recent study published in Health Affairs, for example, compared the COVID-19 growth rate before and after mask mandates in 15 states and the District of Columbia. It found that mask mandates led to a slowdown in daily COVID-19 growth rate, which became more apparent over time. The first five days after a mandate, the daily growth rate slowed by 0.9 percentage-points compared to the five days prior to the mandate; at three weeks, the daily growth rate had slowed by 2 percentage-points.

Another study looked at coronavirus deaths across 198 countries and found that those with cultural norms or government policies favoring mask-wearing had lower death rates.

Two compelling case reports also suggest that masks can prevent transmission in high-risk scenarios, said Chin-Hong and Rutherford. In one case, a man flew from China to Toronto and subsequently tested positive for COVID-19. He had a dry cough and wore a mask on the flight, and all 25 people closest to him on the flight tested negative for COVID-19. In another case, in late May, two hair stylists in Missouri had close contact with 140 clients while sick with COVID-19. Everyone wore a mask and none of the clients tested positive."

"A mnemonic that Chin-Hong likes is the “Three W’s to ward off COVID-19:” wearing a mask, washing your hands, and watching your distance.

“But of the three, the most important thing is wearing a mask,” he said. Compared to wearing a mask, cleaning your iPhone or wiping down your groceries are “just distractors.” There’s little evidence that fomites (contaminated surfaces) are a major source of transmission, whereas there is a lot of evidence of transmission through inhaled droplets, said Chin-Hong"

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent

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Again with Sweden:

Death Rate per Million:

Sweden 583

Denmark 115

Finland 62

Norway 51

You stats people don't seem to understand. At these extremely low levels, I don't care who has more deaths. Sweden has normal life. I'll take that over reducing the death rate from "tiny" to "even tinier" any day.

you're incredible ignorance intrigues me wrote:

Do you also scorn sunglasses winter jackets gloves shoes cooking food and any other technology that proven effective

A lot of the time I wear a mask I get a runny nose, and that's annoying. I don't bend the metal part so that I can breathe more freely, but it still inhibits breathing ability. Since I don't bend the mask, it keeps falling down when I talk. Plus, I tend to reuse the same one multiple times just because some businesses require it. I'm sure other people do the same thing.

I do not like mandates. Governments should trust the people themselves to stay safe. The risk-reward benefits of normal activity under COVID contrast wildly from person to person.

wow so good job wrote:

I'll take that over reducing the death rate from "tiny" to "even tinier" any day.

I totally agree with this.

wow so good job wrote:

“combined with the testing, tracing and quarantine procedures the Germans have introduced”

Key phrase from the N.Y. Times article.

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