Very suspicious....
Very suspicious....
It was only 26 minutes.
The man is a class above anyone else! You can't blame his shoes, he THRASHED the world record and could have gone even faster! Kenenisa who?
People shouldnt look tired after running an even paced 10k according to their fitness.
Go back and look at Bekele finishing his WRs. Looks even less tired. Kipchoge too. Elite runners aren't totally gassed at the end of a race, even a WR race.
Jakob Epobrigtsen wrote:
People shouldnt look tired after running an even paced 10k according to their fitness.
He looked Euphoric. Just like every runner does when they run their fastest times.
birdbeard wrote:
Go back and look at Bekele finishing his WRs. Looks even less tired. Kipchoge too. East African doped runners aren't totally gassed at the end of a race, even a WR race.
Fixed.
Why aren’t they? Doesn’t it mean that they could have run even faster (and fall down on the ground like I always do after a race)?
birdbeard wrote:
Go back and look at Bekele finishing his WRs. Looks even less tired. Kipchoge too. Elite runners aren't totally gassed at the end of a race, even a WR race.
Why aren’t they? Doesn’t it mean that they could have run even faster (and fall down on the ground like I always do after a race)?
Discuss.....
LRC note: This thread was restored as LetsRun.com believes discussion and even speculation about doping leads to a cleaner sport
Here's the thing, the times themselves, if run say 15 +years ago, definitely indicate doping.
HOWEVER, with the new pacing tech and possibly the spikes, perhaps the tech is the equalizer between a doped distance time in 04 and a clean distance time in 2020. This is not to say for certain Gidey and Joshua are clean or the Bekele and Dibaba were doped (although Tirunesh is definitely suspect based on the EPO hotel room incident) but is just a possible explanation.
It's doping. Gidey did not even pretend to be winded. That's EPO. Nothing compares. Saw it a million times with Armstrong, That is how powerful it is.
The rule is simply that if it seems like doping, it definitely is. Especially in distance sports.
clean
I have a bridge to sell you.
Look boys and girls I was a huge Armstrong fan. Bought in completely. I get it. But we know it is cheating.
whats the point of disusing if you're convinced!
We know with certainty that athletes were doping with impunity in the 90s and early 2000s. Most, if not all, of these records were set then, or shortly thereafter.
Therefore to exceed those records, and rather easily, I have to automatically be suspicious. I do not buy the fact that new track spikes can take a clean athlete and allow them to break what are likely doped records.
astro wrote:
I have a bridge to sell you.
Look boys and girls I was a huge Armstrong fan. Bought in completely. I get it. But we know it is cheating.
+1
astro wrote:
It's doping. Gidey did not even pretend to be winded. That's EPO. Nothing compares. Saw it a million times with Armstrong, That is how powerful it is.
The rule is simply that if it seems like doping, it definitely is. Especially in distance sports.
So they are using more oxygen, but breathing less?
How does that work?
Exactly
to dope or not to dope wrote:
Here's the thing, the times themselves, if run say 15 +years ago, definitely indicate doping.
HOWEVER, with the new pacing tech and possibly the spikes, perhaps the tech is the equalizer between a doped distance time in 04 and a clean distance time in 2020. This is not to say for certain Gidey and Joshua are clean or the Bekele and Dibaba were doped (although Tirunesh is definitely suspect based on the EPO hotel room incident) but is just a possible explanation.
Times themselves can not indicate doping, unless they are beyond the absolute natural limit.
Spikes yes boost performance, but pacing lights don't allow you to do anything you can't do without them, they just make it 10x easier to pace a race.
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