Time once more to link to the greatest TED Talk aside from the one where the science lady mocks you for wearing a mask during a pandemic ....
Time once more to link to the greatest TED Talk aside from the one where the science lady mocks you for wearing a mask during a pandemic ....
Very few "legitimate" 10k t&f races anymore if you haven't noticed.
Compare to Bekele's era when every single event was contested at every meet. Also compare the fact that Bekele could face the likes of Geb and Kipchoge in many of the 10k he raced.
These opportunities don't exist for Cheptegei so he must make his opportunity.
He did and he owned it.
Respect.
WOW - OP was 0.04 seconds off on his 10k prediction.
Very impressive. Well done.
There's no little elf in the shoe pushing the ground harder. What are you on about?
JohnnyS wrote:
but when shoes are providing actual mechanical assistance like the new-gen spring and foam shoes are, the human limits hasn’t actually changed.
For me, the shoes are arguably worse than the doping.
Dopers can get popped. I mean, most don't and won't, but they can.
But the shoes........ the sport ceases to be "running" when athletes no longer wear running shoes but instead strap on these bouncy springs. It's a totally different discipline.
Congratulations to Cheptegei on a new world record.
Clown World Rising wrote:
For me, the shoes are arguably worse than the doping.
Dopers can get popped. I mean, most don't and won't, but they can.
But the shoes........ the sport ceases to be "running" when athletes no longer wear running shoes but instead strap on these bouncy springs. It's a totally different discipline.
I actually have no problem with the shoes. Compared to shoes made of hard rubber, Eva shoes were also "bouncy springs". It's the light that irks me.
Vancomycin wrote:
There's no little elf in the shoe pushing the ground harder. What are you on about?
JohnnyS wrote:
but when shoes are providing actual mechanical assistance like the new-gen spring and foam shoes are, the human limits hasn’t actually changed.
For instance, surely the Kipchoge-style Alphafly with a carbon plate and air pockets acts as a spring in the shoe (beyond what should be seen as reasonable)?
So you guys really think that Shelby Houlihan ran 14:24 in traditional, 2017-ish era spikes, and Gidey ran 14:06 in Dragonflies, but the shoes confer a huge benefit on the athlete? You don't think Gidey is 18ish seconds better than Houlihan over 5000?
These aren't VFs and AFs. They don't have 35-40mm stack.
douglas burke wrote:
Results, Pacer Kimeli was 2nd in 27:12
I'm starting to love Kimeli. It is sheer fortitude to pace a runner with a 13:07, let him go by as your job is done and then STILL finish with a respectable 10K time beating every other athlete in the field. And in his 12:51 PB he was with Cheptegei until almost 3,000 (obviously tough pacing ~ some 8 seconds faster than is ideal for him) and held on extremely well.
This win from the Kip Keino meet is also rugged racing. I think Kimeli will be ready to mix it up with Barega, Edris and even Cheptegei next year.
https://www.facebook.com/NTVKenya/videos/785501458929653/It was humid and a tad hot tonight In Valencia, I write from there. Conditions were far from ideal for distance running. Big props to the new world record holders
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
douglas burke wrote:
Results, Pacer Kimeli was 2nd in 27:12
I'm starting to love Kimeli. It is sheer fortitude to pace a runner with a 13:07, let him go by as your job is done and then STILL finish with a respectable 10K time beating every other athlete in the field. And in his 12:51 PB he was with Cheptegei until almost 3,000 (obviously tough pacing ~ some 8 seconds faster than is ideal for him) and held on extremely well.
This win from the Kip Keino meet is also rugged racing. I think Kimeli will be ready to mix it up with Barega, Edris and even Cheptegei next year.
https://www.facebook.com/NTVKenya/videos/785501458929653/
Yeah, I didn't watch the 5,000 WR, but I was also very impressed that he hung on to finish the 10,000, in a solid time, as well. That couldn't have been easy at all. Cool guy.
KCgeezer wrote:
Time once more to link to the greatest TED Talk aside from the one where the science lady mocks you for wearing a mask during a pandemic ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8COaMKbNrX0
Thanks for this, very informative.
JohnnyS wrote:
Agreed. People talk about limits being pushed, but when shoes are providing actual mechanical assistance like the new-gen spring and foam shoes are, the human limits hasn’t actually changed, but only what technology that’s allowed. Thanks to the shoes and partly the wavelight long-distance running has turned into a complete clown fiesta the last couple of years, with ridiculous performances everywhere. When Gidey splitted a 10k faster than the current 10k WR during a 15k race I lost what little interest I had left. Of course rampant doping is a factor as well, but that was just as much a factor 20-40 years ago so I won’t dive into it. Today I felt about 0% of the thrill I felt watching the 800 WR in London, because then the time was actually comparable with previous eras.
The new shoes don't give you more energy, they dissipate less energy. Get a clue dude.
I was off by one sec.
On paper it was likely that we would become the new WR holder. He just broke two of the toughest records out there, hopefully he can stay healthy for a while and deliver more amazing performances.
Mo is probably shi.... his undies.
Now we will have excitement in racing not just boring pedestrian championships.
abcrunning wrote:
I was off by one sec.
On paper it was likely that we would become the new WR holder. He just broke two of the toughest records out there, hopefully he can stay healthy for a while and deliver more amazing performances.
Mo is probably shi.... his undies.
Now we will have excitement in racing not just boring pedestrian championships.
Just glad that fat doper isn't in the record books any longer
xcvt wrote:
this better be on strava
He forgot to stop his watch until 5-10 seconds after. Based on his reaction when he stopped it and laughed I'm pretty certain it was over the world record. Too bad I guess it won't count now, such a great run to lose focus at the end like that :-/
Easy solution folks wrote:
He even emphasized COVID safety in his post-race interview. What a boss.
This is why he’s my GOAT (to be)
They have decently fat stacks
And Houlihan is a 3:54 runner, I think she has a faster PR in her. Something like 14:15 perhaps
little stick wrote:
Sonia O’Sullivan crushed it with the most”you knows” ever in commentary... goodness gracious she really needs to extend her vocabulary... every sentence she spoke included at least three ‘you knows’... so much for a Villanova education! Thank goodness for Rob Walker who did a fine job.
You know, I actually liked her commentary, but - you know - looking parts again, it seems you are absolutely right, you know.