Parents: is there anything worse than Zoom school?

browski wrote:

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

Do Nothing and let Darwinism Happen - misery, death, overflowing hospitals, possible long term health consequences/costs for survivors

What evidence is there that if we do nothing that this will happen? NYC did practically nothing for the first 2 week of this and there was no risk of overflowing hospitals.

No one wants to admit that this wasn't what we thought it was going to be or what the videos from Wuhan and N. Italy indicated.

The concept of locking down healthy people is absurd and we should have all revolted after day 16 of "15 days to flatten the curve". Now here we are almost 200 days later.

Where in the city do you live or teach. It was rough in the Elmhurst area this past spring

Liberalism really is a mental disorder. I used to take it as a generic internet meme or a generic way to insult the left. But look at the logic they use. The liberal elites constantly lecturing on every inequality gap and how we need equality yet have are 100% content with shutting down forever and increasing all these gaps ten fold. Funny because the liberal elites can farther use this to exploit the marginalized they claim to help.

covidsucks wrote:

The solution is to not make every little thing into a political hot button issue. You know what else this pandemic has accelerated? Income inequality, the education gap, massive transfers of wealth to the very top etc... But hey celebrate how the lockdown has improved your cherished liberal ideals and ignore the very real terrible consequences and lecture the very people being f*cked over.

QFE

It's terrible! A day was enough for me to give my nerves lost(

When things get back to normal after the election, I think schools should keep the virtual element as an option. There are A LOT of kids that hate school, not because of the learning, or the actual "school" part of school, but the social aspect. For whatever reason they are ostracized, they don't fit in, whatever, this is a great way to get them instruction w/o dealing with the brick n morter school and it's issues.

Also I think it'd be a good way to deal with problem kids. You do nothing but cause problems when you are here, fine.. you are now on virtual schooling until you learn to act right.

My experience online has been terrible. I’ve been battling severe anxiety since May when the academic program at my college began. 6-8 hours a day I’m online doing schoolwork. This doesn’t include time spent on my phone, time spent casually online, time spent watching tv. I easily top 11-12 hours per day I’m front of a screen, not moving my body, not interacting with people, not interfacing with the world. This isn’t sustainable, and this is no way to live.

Summer was awful, and 6 weeks into the Fall semester I can already feel those same problems with anxiety creeping back in. I think parents are already seeing the negative effects that I experienced in their own children. And it will only get worse. Humans weren’t designed to sit sedentarily in front of a screen and live in a virtual reality. Parents have to choose what’s more important: the mental and social well-being of their kids (which drives their physical well-being), or their children being exposed to a virus.

Portland Hobby Jogger wrote:

The people most frightened by this pandemic seem to be the COVID deniers and minimizers. This disease simply accelerated trends that were coming in the next decade anyway: remote work, remote schooling, more retail shifting to online, less fossil fuel powered mobility, and steps to reduce pollution in order to mitigate the effects of climate change.

The really scared people are the ones stuck in the past that cannot accept change or temporary inconvenience for the greater good.

+1

Chrisfilm wrote:

...how if you're involved as a parent in the virtual learning, it can be a success, like everyone has the capacity to do such....

This is letsrun where everyone makes 300k so...?

Chrisfilm wrote:

This model is just destroying education for low income families where it's not possible for a parent to be there because they have to be out of the house, working.

Yeah - that's where a competent federal government should have stepped in to help. 1200$ 6 months ago. Meanwhile, every other developed country is getting their salaries covered so they can focus on other important thinks - AKA their health and schooling their kiddos.

All that said, you can really see the parents who care more about their career than their kids. I'm not talking about the low income families. I'm talking about the ones who piss and complain, but have never returned a call or email. Do better, parents.

covid, take me please wrote:

This is torture.

Sounds like your strong suit may not be 'parenting'. I've got 3 on line at the moment and besides the fact that mom & dad have to have a modicum of involvement, it's been fine. When it's deemed safe to return, only 1 of my 3 will go back while the other 2 are thriving more with the virtual learning and will continue through High School.

NotPC wrote:

When things get back to normal after the election, I think schools should keep the virtual element as an option. There are A LOT of kids that hate school, not because of the learning, or the actual "school" part of school, but the social aspect. For whatever reason they are ostracized, they don't fit in, whatever, this is a great way to get them instruction w/o dealing with the brick n morter school and it's issues.

Also I think it'd be a good way to deal with problem kids. You do nothing but cause problems when you are here, fine.. you are now on virtual schooling until you learn to act right.

Great idea. Let's have socially awkward kids not interact with other children and begin isolating themselves from society at an early age. I can think of absolutely zero negative impacts of not teaching people how to interact with each other. Everyone who ever has a problem in life can just stay at their parent's house for the rest of their life. This is definitely a sustainable concept.

NotPC wrote:

When things get back to normal after the election, I think schools should keep the virtual element as an option. There are A LOT of kids that hate school, not because of the learning, or the actual "school" part of school, but the social aspect. For whatever reason they are ostracized, they don't fit in, whatever, this is a great way to get them instruction w/o dealing with the brick n morter school and it's issues.

Also I think it'd be a good way to deal with problem kids. You do nothing but cause problems when you are here, fine.. you are now on virtual schooling until you learn to act right.

All due respect but how is hiding from problems at home going to help the kids who "don't fit in"? It's just kicking the can down the road so they end up as socially inept arrested development cases as adults. Liberal logic at it's finest.

And I am sure the problem kids would have no problems being forced to stay home. Which btw we already have. It's called a suspension from school.

joalturn wrote:

6-8 hours a day I’m online doing schoolwork. This doesn’t include time spent on my phone, time spent casually online, time spent watching tv. I easily top 11-12 hours per day.

You're spending 3-6 hours every day on your phone, online, or watching TV. Is anyone forcing you to do this?

Go for a walk/run/hike/swim/lift. Go to a park and read/fish/talk to girls/pet a dog. Go to an outdoor patio for a drink.

I get what you're saying, but you have to help yourself.

6-8 hours a day of online school? Even if that's true has it crossed your mind that for your overall health you could cut back on the casual time spent on phone, computer, and TV? Go for a run, ride a bike, do some push ups, just go for a walk outside? Assuming you're not trolling with those screen time comments you gotta take some control over yourself.

Public schools (Democrat’s) are playing this game because they think it will get rid of Trump. Can’t tell you how many districts have November 4th as their next evaluation date. It’s just so obvious. What they don’t understand is that it’s angering parents that see through the bs. These parents that were ok with public education are now looking for other non public education opportunities. There’s going to be a push for school tax choice like we’ve never seen before. They’re biting the hands that feed them and actually helping Trump get re-elected. Administrators and Teachers are essential workers and are not doing their jobs.

Home schooling with energetic, educated parents would be much better than zoom schooling, but how many parents can be like that? Zoom schooling goes from bad to really bad. In general, we've learned just how bad remote learning is. Half the students in many big city school districts don't log in at all, whether because of the lack of supervision or knowledge or technology. Hybrid is miserable because you have teachers who cannot give attention to in person and zoom students at the same time and often can't be heard well by the zoom students. It becomes such drudgery being on the screen all day that many go after other temptations of computers (and cell phones) when they're supposed to be working. My daughter lost a lot of her control when most other students went back to in person and she started getting late on assignments and surfing the internet. I could and did watch out and then install blocker software but one program prevented her from submitting work, while another one was easy to circumvent until I put a password protector on it. However, in going back to in person school this week, where they've had no cases outside the football team yet, it's been a big shift and she's doing great. There is just no good argument to show that zoom or hybrid are even remotely close to in person. Yet, we know that in person schooling will bring COVID back, especially where mask compliance is low. So, we just need to bite the bullet and take what steps are necessary until the vaccine is out and mask use high enough for the transition to stamping the disease out. Otherwise, we'll have hundreds of thousands more dead from the disease.

That's utter nonsense. Public schools are staying online because they really, really do not want to see the rampant deaths we saw in April-May in the northeast, where death rates from the disease got as high as three times Spain's rate.

coach wrote:

browski wrote:

What evidence is there that if we do nothing that this will happen? NYC did practically nothing for the first 2 week of this and there was no risk of overflowing hospitals.

No one wants to admit that this wasn't what we thought it was going to be or what the videos from Wuhan and N. Italy indicated.

The concept of locking down healthy people is absurd and we should have all revolted after day 16 of "15 days to flatten the curve". Now here we are almost 200 days later.

Where in the city do you live or teach. It was rough in the Elmhurst area this past spring

I live in Rockaway and teach in Brooklyn. Rockaway was hit very badly also, not as bad as Elmhurst but I don't know anywhere on the planet that was. It still never got to be what they wanted us to fear.

zxczxcv wrote:

That's utter nonsense. Public schools are staying online because they really, really do not want to see the rampant deaths we saw in April-May in the northeast, where death rates from the disease got as high as three times Spain's rate.

Yes, we should continue to shut down as a punishment because northeast governors were stupid enough to stick sick people in nursing homes and stick people on ventilators to get extra government money. It's amazing, Cuomo and friends made these moronic decisions against all health recommendations and yet the east coast liberals love them. New Jersey has essentially ceded all legislative power to Murphey willingly after he made his stupid decisions. This doesn't even account for the 10-15K deaths that New York and New Jersey time traveled and were able to attribute to COVID.

This is absolutely political, there is no evidence closing schools saves lives, you could argue it delays deaths. There is no overload of the medical system. There is no out of control exponential growth coming. Most of the urban areas in the Northeast have a level of herd immunity where they are staying shut down for no scientific reason. Places, where they kept kids going to school, have fared no worse as far as hospitalizations or deaths. They've done way worse on cases amongst asymptomatic people, so I guess if that's your target shut down the world.

shuffle shuffle wrote:

There is absolutely no way to know that--especially with something like COVID that seems to have chronic effects on the cardiovascular system.

For all we know, 20 years from now there will be a rash of people in their 30s experiencing valve failures because COVID destroyed their hearts when they didn't get sick enough to actually rest for a month while infected.

What is your source on this information?