If everyone had worn masks throughout the spring, we'd be near zero in daily cases and be able to get life more or less back to normal now. Thanks to people like the OP, his fellow trolls, and especially our Denier in Chief, we are not even close to doing that.
#FireFauci
zxcvzcvx wrote:
If everyone had worn masks throughout the spring, we'd be near zero in daily cases and be able to get life more or less back to normal now. Thanks to people like the OP, his fellow trolls, and especially our Denier in Chief, we are not even close to doing that.
So I have to say as far as this narrative I think it is pretty hard to believe. In the LA/Orange County area I think pretty much everyone was very good about the mask wearing April-June. Except maybe at the "mostly peaceful" protests. A few exceptions but I'd say about 95% or more compliance. The non-mask wearers drew more attention but were a small minority. The virus did not come anywhere close to stopping in our area through that time. The only place where spread went down was bay area which did a hard shutdown, barely opened up, and has a much smaller blue collar workforce. There is no difference between behavior in LA/OC now as opposed any other time when it comes to wearing masks yet cases have dropped dramatically in the past 2 months and deaths are on the way down. I don't know how people can chalk this up to anything but herd immunity. Is it a coincidence that once we got to similar levels of death per capita as Sweden and our spread is trending in the same direction or are we going to pretend masks saved the day.
Is she really Jammin's girlfriend?
zxcvzcvx wrote:
If everyone had worn masks throughout the spring, we'd be near zero in daily cases and be able to get life more or less back to normal now. Thanks to people like the OP, his fellow trolls, and especially our Denier in Chief, we are not even close to doing that.
We need nothing more than enough people to acquire immunity to this. Your opinion is weak minded, based on msm fake news.
Don Juan wrote:
Is she really Jammin's girlfriend?
https://youtu.be/UmrLT28okfc
Is this a rhetorical question?
Don Juan wrote:
Is she really Jammin's girlfriend?
https://youtu.be/UmrLT28okfc
That's The One
zxcvzcvx wrote:
If everyone had worn masks throughout the spring, we'd be near zero in daily cases and be able to get life more or less back to normal now. Thanks to people like the OP, his fellow trolls, and especially our Denier in Chief, we are not even close to doing that.
Wait what, wasn't Fauci the one who lied to the public and told them not to wear mask. He even admitted he lied to prevent a run on masks. Is this your delusional revision of history. Trump never mentioned mask because the experts said no, I believe at that time all of his actions were based on the experts. People are just completely schooled by trash media like CNN, anything they say must be real . This whole Woodward thing is BS for the same reason. I don't even like Trump that much, but he shut borders down in January while Fauci, the expert, said this was no big deal. Obviously Trump thought it was and that is why to closed travel with China. I don't understand how CNN gets away with this crap; if Trump thought is was a disaster you would think someone smarter with more expertise would have been informing him of this, so why did these experts and agencies all over the world not tell the public and not inform us in January of the doom coming? The answer is either (1) they did know but wanted the doom to come and not prevent it or (2) they chose to not cause a panic because they really had no f-ing clue. The Woodward story is only believable if you believe Trump is a super genius that knew more than all of the world's experts combined back in January (when he closed the f-ing border with the nation where the virus originated!) and that after closing the border he chose to lie not only to the american people but also to all of the world's leading experts who kept saying not to worry. What? How do you people live with yourselves? It makes no sense, it is trash politics and that is all. Stop, please stop, you are hurting and have hurt everyone with your nonsense.
NtC wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Also as our nations "top" infectious disease expert shouldn't he be doing more science stuff with his time? Seems like he's spending a lot more time getting his mug on every show he can and rubbing elbows with every famous person he can find.
As our nations [sic] "top" military expert, shouldn't General Eisenhower be doing more soldier stuff with his time? Seems like he's spending a lot more time hobnobbing with military brass than he does cleaning gun barrels and transporting medical equipment.
Fauci is not a scientist and has not been for decades.
So Cal Runner wrote:
zxcvzcvx wrote:
If everyone had worn masks throughout the spring, we'd be near zero in daily cases and be able to get life more or less back to normal now. Thanks to people like the OP, his fellow trolls, and especially our Denier in Chief, we are not even close to doing that.
So I have to say as far as this narrative I think it is pretty hard to believe. In the LA/Orange County area I think pretty much everyone was very good about the mask wearing April-June. Except maybe at the "mostly peaceful" protests. A few exceptions but I'd say about 95% or more compliance. The non-mask wearers drew more attention but were a small minority. The virus did not come anywhere close to stopping in our area through that time. The only place where spread went down was bay area which did a hard shutdown, barely opened up, and has a much smaller blue collar workforce. There is no difference between behavior in LA/OC now as opposed any other time when it comes to wearing masks yet cases have dropped dramatically in the past 2 months and deaths are on the way down. I don't know how people can chalk this up to anything but herd immunity. Is it a coincidence that once we got to similar levels of death per capita as Sweden and our spread is trending in the same direction or are we going to pretend masks saved the day.
Masks do very little, and I believe most experts agree with this and were spouting this at the onset of the pandemic. They have been shut up since with threat of career ruin, but they did generally say they were worthless to the general public and only useful in hospital settings. The story now is that they lied on purpose of course; so, you should trust the admitted liars now? Great.
Some of us treat our water, some of us wash our hands after using the bathroom, and do other things to prevent the spread of disease because we understand, have actually understood since we were toddlers, that you can't always see the bad things that can make you sick. It's unfortunate that many in this world, regardless of politics, are still so unclear on the concept.
Jamin feels threatened when a public health official answers a question honestly, drawing on actual experience, data, and knowledge ⚠️
For primitive, fearful organisms, it makes perfect sense to blindly attack the man telling you stuff you don't like. And it makes sense to blindly support the man who tells you things that feel good.
For us eukaryotes, it makes more sense to recognize how awful the situation is all around, and to figure out our own way to make it through a tough time in world history.
I know you're scared. Don't let it make you act more stupid and hateful.
zxcvzcvx wrote:
If everyone had worn masks throughout the spring, we'd be near zero in daily cases and be able to get life more or less back to normal now. Thanks to people like the OP, his fellow trolls, and especially our Denier in Chief, we are not even close to doing that.
But those peaceful rioters and looters were A-OK!!
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
KaareV wrote:
Norway has not primarily nursing homes 10 residents or less. Especially not in Oslo, much much bigger. In Sweden just in the big cities, especially in Stockholm. And they were hit by a lot of deaths in Sweden as a consequence of "the open strategy" which brought the virus no the nursing homes. No, in Norway also a lot of immigrants in the care facilities. You must get your numbers straight. And then you stop arguing and start to be polemical. As a fact, there were stricter measures in Sweden for people over 70. But Norway was able to contain the virus early on. And then opening up carefully. And at the same time fully capable in protecting the nursing homes and the most vulnerable. By the way, the economical consequences are at the same level in Norway and Sweden. A bit better in Norway. Still 49 deaths/million in Norway, and Sweden 578. Sweden thought they would get herd immunity - not so.
A lot of misinformation here.
First it is apparent you believe any COVID death regardless of circumstance is one to many. I don't, I believe we need to measure the negative health outcomes of the virus with the impact of the restrictions placed. I don't believe we will come together on that one.
But how do you figure Sweden did not achieve a level of herd immunity? How did their deaths per day follow a perfect linear line from the peak mid April to late July, from which it has stayed close to zero despite no changes in behaviour. Sweden implement no measures on those over 70, they made recommendations, but left it up to individuals. This notion Sweden's citizens took extreme measures to protect themselves is a made-up revisionist history narrative. Blood samples in May showed 30% of asymptomatic people in the survey had T-cell responses. This May mind you. People trying to suggest Sweden does not have herd immunity have latched on antibody positivity which is scientifically not how immune response works. Not having antibodies does not mean you do not have protection from the virus and having them does not make you immune from infection. You are constantly infected by viruses your immune system fights off before you even know you had it. Sweden's strategy worked. If they had a do-over would they have tried different measures to isolate nursing home patients? Probably, but overall they did an excellent job and achieved herd immunity quicker and with a lower death per million than many other Western nations.
A lot of misinformation here. When I correct you, you just go on. "Achieve a level of herdimmunity". Be more precise. 50 percent or 70 percent? No. Do you know how difficult it is to isolate T-cells in a study? The Swedish Health Autorities hope to make a broad study later this Autumn. You ought to tell them that they have reached it. Lower deathrate than many Western countries? ??????? Even Nethetlands with the highest population density.... Of the European countries of some size: Belgium (856) Spain (656) UK (613) Italy (589), Sweden (579). Again: Get your numbers straight. You must know by now that you are picking the data you like, even the wrong data, but are not able to quite understand them. Do you know how many European coutries there are? Well, USA is higher than Sweden, but that is an ongoing disaster. The only sound comparation should be with Norway and Finland. Not Denmark, to densely populated. If you know already that Sweden has herd immunity, by God, write a n article and send it to a Swedish newspaper. They will be thrilled by the NEWS.
ilonggo wrote:
Some of us treat our water, some of us wash our hands after using the bathroom, and do other things to prevent the spread of disease because we understand, have actually understood since we were toddlers, that you can't always see the bad things that can make you sick. It's unfortunate that many in this world, regardless of politics, are still so unclear on the concept.
Its unfortunate that many in this world are so unclear on the concept that: even if you wash your hands a few times a day...you still might get sick. Why, because germs are inevitable. The true defense is your immune system. A system which has had 100000s of years of evolution, failed battles against nasty diseases, and more experimentation than mask wearing.
Its also unfortunate that people think that wearing a mask in arbitrary situations is 100% safe.
Its also unfortunate that smart people are turning into fearful people who claim the sky is falling
Its also unfortunate that people think they are immortal and will live forever.
Investing, politics, and covid politics wrote:
Jamin feels threatened when a public health official answers a question honestly, drawing on actual experience, data, and knowledge ⚠️
For primitive, fearful organisms, it makes perfect sense to blindly attack the man telling you stuff you don't like. And it makes sense to blindly support the man who tells you things that feel good.
For us eukaryotes, it makes more sense to recognize how awful the situation is all around, and to figure out our own way to make it through a tough time in world history.
I know you're scared. Don't let it make you act more stupid and hateful.
How come, if us Americans are so disobediant, and we did not follow social distancing guidelines, and we have the highest number of cases.....
How come we are not all dead?
If the virus was so bad as you all claim?
Like isnt it a virus where if you get it, you die in a couple of weeks?
If someone who gets it dies within a few weeks, shouldnt the virus be gone by now?
The people who died are dead, so they cant spread it. The people who had it and recovered are ok. And the scaredy cat leftists didnt get it because they are better than everyone else and they properly social distanced.
Therefore, virus gone.
Bullet_Proof wrote:
How come, if us Americans are so disobediant, and we did not follow social distancing guidelines, and we have the highest number of cases.....
How come we are not all dead?
Flawless logic. I have no response.
Seriously question. Who is Anthony Faucet?
Fauci is the antichrist
Collin wrote:
Seriously question. Who is Anthony Faucet?
I have no idea who Anthony "turn on your" Faucet is. But I've heard of guy named Anthony Fauci who has captured the hearts of young beautiful girls! ?
https://youtu.be/A4CM-oCRITE