Covid-19 can make an elite fall to AVERAGE

But to be clear, myocarditis is usually caused by a viral infection, and coronavirus is a virus. Right?

I don’t have the study in front of me but it would look something like this:

The healthy group had almost no cardiac risk factors.

The other two groups had some degree of cardiac risk factors. Maybe about a third of them had heart disease and a fifth of them had high blood pressure + some other risk factors. So when you find COVID + risk factors group and risk factors only group are no different, COVID didn’t cause it.

Always important to remember that this was a group with mild to moderate COVID at worst. It goes without saying COVID can cause myocarditis and other issues in severe cases.

So the comorbidities are not "causing" the myocarditis. The viruses are. And COVID19 may be no worse (or better) than other viruses at causing myocarditis. The abnormalities are correlated with the comorbidities, not the TYPE of virus.

Viruses are the most common cause of clinical myocarditis, yes. COVID can certainly cause it.

However, the kind of abnormalities you see with myocarditis like fluid buildup and elevated troponin can also be caused by various heart conditions.

So when you want to evaluate if COVID has created evidence of cardiac abnormalities that are the hallmark of myocarditis, you must match for risk factors.

Also, myocarditis can be asymptomatic, it doesn’t always cause a ton of issues. It can also kill you.

No, the study found that the abnormalities were caused by the risk factors.

The abnormalities themselves are signs of myocardial damage which could be from COVID or risk factors.

If COVID + risk factors had the same number of abnormalities as risk factors alone then COVID did not cause the abnormalities.

For COVID to have caused them, the COVID plus risk factor group would need to have an elevated incidence of abnormalities compared to the risk factor only group.

What are you claiming here? Covid-19 is as bad as a knee injury?

Bad Wigins wrote:

What are you claiming here? Covid-19 is as bad as a knee injury?

The OP was claiming that the Penn State Medical Director said something about VO2 Max.

But yes, as bad as a knee injury. A highly-contagious knee injury you can catch at the grocery store, bar, movie theater, track meet, or from a simple visit with a friend or family member. You know, the typical ways an elite runner gets a knee injury.

Oh, VO2max! It might impair someone's elite level VO2max! That's terrible. As bad as low ferritin.

Maybe Galen Rupp was ahead of his time, wearing a mask at races years ago. Hahahaha

My apologies. This was the article I read and it was not Penn State but Ohio state that had 15% of the athletes contract Myocarditis.

"The survey found myocarditis in close to 15 percent of athletes who had the virus, almost all of whom experienced mild or no symptoms, Daniels added, perhaps shedding more light on the uncertainties about the short- and long-term effects the virus may have on athletes.

But as Daniels’s survey awaits the rigors of peer review, it has received scant attention, in part because Ohio State has refused to make public any testing data about its athletes — who make up the bulk of the study — other than to announce last month that it had shut down workouts because of positive virus tests. Thus, Daniels said he could not disclose any more information about the data, including the number of athletes tested and those found with myocarditis, until it is published. (The school has said it is following privacy laws, but those prohibit only the disclosure of personally identifiable information.)"

That is significant. 15%.

Since the cardiac MRI is expensive, we'll have no real way of knowing what percentage of regular Americans with mild or no symptoms of COVID have signs of myocarditis. Maybe this is why so many people died of "heart attacks" in March.

Hardloper wrote:

There's dozens of injuries and illnesses more likely to ruin your season than Covid.

Are they as contagious and widespread as covid?

No biggie. I should not have been so aggressive in my response either.

It will be very interesting to see the results and methodology of this survey. Thank you for the article detailing the source, as I had not seen it. We must take care to analyze it closely when it comes out fully.

jonathon wrote:

If you are a serious competitive runner, you are going to do your best to not get Covid. If you've fine tuned your nutrition, recovery, training, etc, you are not about to throw it all away by taking a pointless risk like going to a giant party with no mask on. You've sacrificed so much to run well and you aren't about to throw that all away.

If you don't care, it just means you don't care about running well. People here stating they don't care about Covid are merely just advertising they don't care about their future ability to run fast.

Agree.

You will also want to take steps to avoid falling and breaking a leg, crashing into a brick wall, getting the flu or bronchitis, getting injured, dying, etc. if you really want to run fast.

Corrector wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

There's dozens of injuries and illnesses more likely to ruin your season than Covid.

Are they as contagious and widespread as covid?

Yes. Let's tally the number of college athletes who get mono, low iron, lyme disease, pneumonia, influenza, or a dozen different running injuries compared to the number with a debilitating case of covid - so far, roughly zero? We're 7 months and 10 million cases into this pandemic and the fear of a young healthy athlete having their season ruined by covid is still completely hypothetical.

Any loss in VO2Max can be overcome by running on "Pure Hate."

Hardloper wrote:

the fear of a young healthy athlete having their season ruined by covid is still completely hypothetical.

except when they're quarantined. I forget the elite Kenyan who just got out of quarantine, missed at least Monaco. But let's see if he can still go sub 18 for 5000, if so still better than average.

Hardloper wrote:

Corrector wrote:

Are they as contagious and widespread as covid?

Yes. Let's tally the number of college athletes who get mono, low iron, lyme disease, pneumonia, influenza, or a dozen different running injuries compared to the number with a debilitating case of covid - so far, roughly zero? We're 7 months and 10 million cases into this pandemic and the fear of a young healthy athlete having their season ruined by covid is still completely hypothetical.

You must have your very own definition of a widespread very contagious disease, carry on