Surprised the Brojos haven't covered this but they're prolly guilty of everything alleged in here &, therefore, wouldn't fully understand the complaints.
I wonder if runners like Des/Sisson/Bruce will still be doing the virtual race. I'm sure the three of them have done the minimum of posing a BLM hashtag but when money & contracts are on the line I wonder if they'll keep promoting the organization.
NERunner053 wrote:
Surprised the Brojos haven't covered this but they're prolly guilty of everything alleged in here &, therefore, wouldn't fully understand the complaints.
Just stop.
First, the Brojos don't run a race management company
Second, the Brojos literally run a online website that has what, 5 employees (and the summer intern if he/she is still around). This is a bit different than the NYRR.
Third, this site doesn't bring in anywhere near the revenue the NYRR brings in
Yes, I'm standing up for the Brojos. I am doing so because I actually like this site and they do provide probably the best coverage of T&F of any website.
If you don't like them, you are, just like we all are, free to leave and not visit the site.
bubbagump wrote:
Rebuild NYRR:
http://rebuildnyrr.orghttps://lnkd.in/eBga_8Khttps://www.change.org/p/community-remove-issue
If you're accusing someone of being a racist bully it seems you should have to identify yourself. If the NYRR is full of rampant bullying, racism and harassment why haven't there been any lawsuits? This whole thing seems very troll-like and a bit insane. Who is the leader of this group? Why haven't any other supposed members of this group come forward? All of the incidents cited are second-hand. Somebody told me, somebody said. Very weird. I would never call anyone a liar but this is all anonymous so what is it really?
No way does anything result from this. NYRR has routinely been underpaying their employees and has always been reasonably strapped for cash – esp this year when they dont have their headline race. Almost ALL of their year is spent in the red until they get to the marathon and can recoup their losses
The timing of this is just to use residual momentum from BLM protests
Why not just do what other dissatisfied employees do? Take your skills elsewhere! Why does everything now have to be a BLM cause?
MelRnr wrote:
What are the specific allegations against Capiraso?
He is white and therefore guilty of whatever they accuse him of. No specific allegations necessary. Every white person is a racist. Welcome to the USA in 2020 (or Germany in 1939)
As a current NYRR employee, I will say that the concerns expressed on the Instagram account are shared by virtually the entirety of NYRR's staff -- those of us who were kept on as well as those who were let go. At this point, only certain senior leaders at the organization continue to actively support Michael's ongoing leadership.
Important to understand is that this is not a personal attack on Michael. He has many abilities as a leader and CEO that will be difficult to replace. However, it is clear that his leadership skill set does not include the ability to convey sensitivity and moral conviction to his staff, and he has repeatedly failed to set a precedent for accountability or transparency within the organization. He has had many opportunities in the past years and months to demonstrate that he has grown in the areas where he had previously fallen short, and has not done so. As a result, he has lost the trust and confidence of his staff.
To be clear, the Nazis persecuted and systematically executed oppressed minority groups.
White men in America are not an oppressed minority group, nor are they being persecuted, let alone subjected to genocide. They are simply being held accountable for actions which, especially as leaders and public figures, can reinforce existing patterns of oppression.
How can you support that trash approach for asking for “rebuilding”, though? Did you read those nauseating IG posts?
MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:
NERunner053 wrote:
Surprised the Brojos haven't covered this but they're prolly guilty of everything alleged in here &, therefore, wouldn't fully understand the complaints.
Just stop.
First, the Brojos don't run a race management company
Second, the Brojos literally run a online website that has what, 5 employees (and the summer intern if he/she is still around). This is a bit different than the NYRR.
Third, this site doesn't bring in anywhere near the revenue the NYRR brings in
Yes, I'm standing up for the Brojos. I am doing so because I actually like this site and they do provide probably the best coverage of T&F of any website.
If you don't like them, you are, just like we all are, free to leave and not visit the site.
Ok I'm gonna put it to the side that you don't mind all of the hate that the Brojos condone & say, again, that I think they should be covering this (you know, the point of my original comment). I know I triggered you into defending their free speech heroism but they cover running. Why aren't they touching this topic? Why aren't they interviewing staff at NYRR? Why aren't they sharing the petition?
Well, you call yourself "Current NYRR employee" so you obviously must have some accurate inside information that we can all trust!
NERunner053 wrote:
Why aren't they touching this topic? Why aren't they interviewing staff at NYRR? Why aren't they sharing the petition?
Fair point. I don't know. Maybe they'll pop on here and answer.
NERunner053 wrote:
The ones that detailed all of the things that people can't seem to grasp on this fate filled website?
We have different definitions of “detailed” on what clearly read like system-generated buzzword accusations in some cases and completely laughable accusations in others.
Never gonna end wrote:
No actual Latino people say "Latinx," so this is definitely a white SJW complaint.
LMAO as a Latino myself I can confirm. It doesn’t really offend me at all, it just feels weird. Why you afraid to say it??
It’s also like how they refer to blacks people as “POCs”. Since when was “black” racist??? ?♂️
For what it's worth, I've been told by someone credible that the person whose name popped up when I looked at the questionnaire was NOT the person behind this. So looks like my advance apologies were warranted!
An anonymous broadside accusing a large and vital organization in the midst of a crisis needs to be vetted carefully...not just reported blindly.
This could literally be one person creating the entire petition and website and whatnot.
Could be one disgruntled employee who was laid off and under financial stress.
Have to get some real reporters on this before it can be treated seriously.
And have to say...the instagram list of offenses is pretty weak.
Current NYRR employee wrote:
As a current NYRR employee, I will say that the concerns expressed on the Instagram account are shared by virtually the entirety of NYRR's staff -- those of us who were kept on as well as those who were let go. At this point, only certain senior leaders at the organization continue to actively support Michael's ongoing leadership.
Important to understand is that this is not a personal attack on Michael. He has many abilities as a leader and CEO that will be difficult to replace. However, it is clear that his leadership skill set does not include the ability to convey sensitivity and moral conviction to his staff, and he has repeatedly failed to set a precedent for accountability or transparency within the organization. He has had many opportunities in the past years and months to demonstrate that he has grown in the areas where he had previously fallen short, and has not done so. As a result, he has lost the trust and confidence of his staff.
Interesting discussion going on here.
1) You say it does not seem to be a personal attack. To me it comes across as very personal. Nothing from the campaign comes across that Michael is doing a good job or there are a few areas he needs to improve on. Saying Michael is not able "to convey sensitivity and moral conviction to his staff, and he has repeatedly failed to set a precedent for accountability or transparency within the organization" is very, very, very different than what was put out on social media.
My impression was that whoever started the campaign wants us to believe Michael leads a racist organization. Now some want to argue the words "racist" and "hate" have been watered down to not have a lot of meaning, but it's one of the most damning accusations you can throw at someone in today's era. No right minded person wants to be a racist.
Once again Michael leading a racist organization is very different from failing "to convey sensitivity and moral conviction to his staff, and he has repeatedly failed to set a precedent for accountability or transparency within the organization".
There is a specific allegation that Michael cares more about PR than the safety of his employees or kids. That is personal. There are some very serious allegations out there that deserve investigation. There were more general concerns about how the NYRR is being run as well and what direction it is going. That is a separate issue I feel.
Generally my inclination is the NY media will cover this better than we will but if you are a current or former employee and want to talk and have your anonymity protected feel free to email me
wejo@letsrun.comWeldon wanted us to addrress the issue on our podcast. I told him I wanted to wait at least a week until some facts come out. I think the problem in this country is so many people rush to judgement without knowing any facts.
For the most part, I think 99.99% of people agree that racism is bad. Does the NYRR have a racism problem? I have no idea.
I do know I have no problem with them paying cops. They literally take over the streets of NYC multiple times a year and to shut down the streets, that's going to cost you. The Jesse Owens allegation sounds like an onion piece. If that's true, that employee should have been terminated.
As for speaking English in the office, the way the employees are alleged to have said it wasn't correct if that's what happened. I can actually understand why a large organization might want to have a common language requirement at work. If people are speaking a different languages, many nonspeakers people will feel left out, managers won't be able to know if someone is talking about work or just taking personal time and paranoid people will be afraid others are talking about them behind their backs. Naturally, in America, English would be the common language you'd require but if you are going to do something like that it needs to be a formal policy and stated in a much better manner than it was alleged.
not sure if less than a 1000 signatures is impactful.
wejo, if you read through all the stories on the Instagram account, you will notice that they are primarily about workplace culture, not specific actions by Michael (although there are a few of those as well). To reframe my point above: there is a difference between saying someone is a blatant, intentional racist (which I haven't heard anyone saying about Michael) and, alternatively, accusing them of enabling racism, sexism, and harassment in the workplace by failing to address it and hold HR accountable to properly handle instances of employee abuse, which is exactly what has been happening on his watch. A person with bias is usually blind to their own bias. That doesn't mean their bias isn't a serious problem that can have extremely damaging and hurtful effects on others, particularly if they are in a position of leadership or social importance.
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