Jakob is running the 1500 in Brussels. Will he go under 3:30 again?

Pajac wrote:

ShilohDoesntCare wrote:

Yeah sure Jakob quit. Where in the hell did you see that? Even in the last 50 Tim was not running faster than Jakob. He just couldn't overcome the gap. It was the first race I've seen since Tim became the #1 where he looked back several times during the last lap. And man if your main training partner gets banned from the sport you are suspect as anyone can be. I wasn't one to say Tim is a doper but now his credibility and everyone else's at the camp is tarnished forever.

Wrong.

Tim was clearly doing just enough to keep Jakob where he was. Tim never got into an all-out sprint there.

Your credibility is also tarnished forever if you judge a man's character for what another man does.

Shame on you.

No. Shame on you. This is such a dumb argument even though it sounds righteous.

I don't believe that either are doped but if I were to bet on one of them, I'd go with the guy whose training partner got banned for whereabouts failures. Rongai Athletics Club has got some credibility problems after that and you can whine all you want about asthma medication but that is just whataboutism.

GrapeSon wrote:

Pajac wrote:

Wrong.

Tim was clearly doing just enough to keep Jakob where he was. Tim never got into an all-out sprint there.

Your credibility is also tarnished forever if you judge a man's character for what another man does.

Shame on you.

No. Shame on you. This is such a dumb argument even though it sounds righteous.

I don't believe that either are doped but if I were to bet on one of them, I'd go with the guy whose training partner got banned for whereabouts failures. Rongai Athletics Club has got some credibility problems after that and you can whine all you want about asthma medication but that is just whataboutism.

Shame on me for what? For believing a man is inocent unless proven guilty?

No shame in that.

I cray cray wrote:

So does anyone know what kind of pace is being asked for tomorrow?

Pacer 1 Akbache 600-700m

Pacer 2 Kipchumba 800-900m

Pacer 3 Kipruto 1100m

400m - 55"

800m - 1'51"

1000m - 2'19"

Wavelights - Last green light in the wave = ER 3'28"68

Loppas wrote:

JohnnyS wrote:

In XC skiing Norway has had plenty of busts. Johnsrud Sundby, Johaug caught with steroids, the Norwegian XC Association caught giving many top athletes asthma medication without them actually having asthma - with no permits of course, and so on...

No, not plenty of busts!

Johnsrud Sundby had too much astma medicine, right. The amount given to him was correct, but the doctors used the infiltrator! That is more effective, so the totally amount was too high!

Johaug was not not convicted for drug use, but for doping violation. She used a lip cream for her sunburnt lips!

Anyway, only 2 busts totally in skiing, and none in running! Tell me which country in the world have had less busts!

It’s worth noting that using a nebulizer is a pretty controversial method, so it’s all on them

for getting the dose wrong.

On the Johaug case, use the Occams razor. What’s more likely: that the top XC skiier in the world is doping (we know VO2 max sports are very dirty) or that the same skiier AND the doctor of the Norwegian XC Association managed to not read the description of a balsam they consumed, and that they also missed a big ”Doping” sign on the outside of the balms package?

You are correct, can not deny the facts!

But the fact is that these two cases are the ONLY ones in Norwegian xc skiing, and there have been none in running!

Regarding Johaug and the lip balm, what is communicated by JohnnyS is very likely intentionally misleading (aka trolling).

The facts of the matter is that the case has been tried several times, every time has it been concluded firmly that Johaug did not intentionally try to enhance her performance. Even so she IMO deservedly got a suspension for her and the Norwegian team doctor's stupidity/unprofessionalism (call it what you want).

For the record, Johaug listed that she had used the lip balm to the anti doping agency before she tested positive. The levels in her blood were miniscule and faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar insufficient to be performance enhancing. Everyone vaguely familiar with her case are either stupid beyond belief or do realize that it was not intentionally doping.

Regarding asthma and the Norwegian cross country team, I think there are two sides to the story, many doctors and scientist will agree that what the Norwegian skiing federation did was beneficial for their athletes long term health. With the exception of the Johnsrud Sundby case, I am not aware of any accusations directed at the Norwegian skiing federation of violating the rules. There were however a lot of accusations of rules bending.

My personal opinion is that the Nor Skiing federation has obtained an unfair advantage with their asthma regime. That when you are able to miss a big warning sign spelling out Doping on the package of your lip balm, you should have a ban coming your way. However, to compare any of this to what has taking place in Kenyan track and field is so wide of the mark that it cannot be interpreted as anything but the most hardcore trolling.

Furthermore I consider both Cheruiyot and Ingebrigtsen as clean until proven otherwise, but based on recent history I would not really be surprised if any of them should be caught violating doping rules.

Coevett impersonating me??? This cannot be true. Coevett is a staunch defender of everything righteous and noble, I cannot imagine him resorting to such underhanded, deceitful practices. Coevett has made it his life’s work to expose an entire continent as immoral, conniving cheats, yet this implies that he is also immoral and conniving, that is appalling. Coevett has produced clear and succinct arguments that show a single second of improvement can only be explained by the use of drugs, yet the above post is just a rambling diatribe. Coevett has shown a laser focus in proving how any reduction in performance is linked to reduced drug consumption, yet the above post meanders around five different countries and two planets. Coevett has conclusively proven how potato farming is absolute proof of guilt, yet the above post implies that the Ingebrigtsens are involved in salmon farming. Coevett never resorts to nasty personal attacks yet the above post goes full bore in the first sentence.

No, this cannot be Coevett, it’s just a poor charade of Coevett.

Raddissonn wrote:

Arguments for Timmy doping - 60+ Kenyan busts in 5 years, a rate that is increasing almost exponentially as testing goes from non-existent to reasonably tea money existing (despite Covid), 1 in 6 of leading male Kenyans busted in the last 5 years, 3 of the 5 male medalists from London 2017 already busted, multiple Kenyan middle-distance runners busted, including the two 1500m Kenyans from the last decade who have ran as fast as Timmy, one of whom is Timmy's close training partner , and the other being that training partner's mentor and close buddy.

Arguments for Jakob doping - he is white and runs as fast as East Africans. Therefore he must be doping. Anyone who disagrees is a white supremacist.

This looks like it was posted by Coevett.

Notes:

60+ busts includes both men and women.

Regarding exponential increase, it looks like there was an initial spike in busts in 2017, followed by three years of decline. This year has been impacted due to Covid (and is not yet finished), but just the same, in 2020 busts for presence or use of doping have declined, while whereabouts busts have increased.

Depending on which prevalence figures you chose, 1 in 6 busts ranges from average to far less than average.

I'm not sure how you counted 3 out of 5 male medalists. I counted 2 busts out of 6 male medalists, one bust for EPO, and one bust for whereabouts. So technically it is still 1 in 6 medalists busted for use or presence. It looks like you are counting 1 Kenyan who did not medal, and I found 1 more Kenyan non-medalist busted.

1200m - 2'47"

Faster than tim's Monaco 1200m split

xD

Yes, certainly not the guy whose reputation is being a pathological liar. He wouldn't do this.

Maaarrriiiooottt wrote:

Notes:

60+ busts includes both men and women.

Regarding exponential increase, it looks like there was an initial spike in busts in 2017, followed by three years of decline. This year has been impacted due to Covid (and is not yet finished), but just the same, in 2020 busts for presence or use of doping have declined, while whereabouts busts have increased.

Depending on which prevalence figures you chose, 1 in 6 busts ranges from average to far less than average.

I'm not sure how you counted 3 out of 5 male medalists. I counted 2 busts out of 6 male medalists, one bust for EPO, and one bust for whereabouts. So technically it is still 1 in 6 medalists busted for use or presence. It looks like you are counting 1 Kenyan who did not medal, and I found 1 more Kenyan non-medalist busted.

What on Earth are you talking about?

Are you really quibbling over whether it's 65+ busts or 60+ busts?

You think 1 in 6 athletes busted for doping is 'average'??? Maybe for American sprinters or Russian race walkers.

You think because (according to you) there have been fewer doping positives this year when there have been practically no races is evidence Russian troll SpadeDetector/Observski is right and that I'm a 'pathological lier'???

5 out of 11 of the male finalists in London (if you include the 3 Kenyan men in the marathon) have been busted. And stop claiming that whereabouts failures are 'technically' a doping offence, you disgusting doping apologist.

A very interesting study was just released on the effectiveness of asthma medicine in endurance athletes.

Conclusion/implication: The present study shows that beta2-agonists do not affect aerobic performance in non-asthmatic subjects regardless of type, dose, administration route, duration of treatment or performance level of participants. The results of the present study should be of interest to WADA and to anyone who is interested in equal opportunities in competitive sports.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32816795/

You aren't a pathological liar because of the reduction in testing busts - you are a pathological liar because you are incapable of refraining from lying, as I've pointed out time and again. It's pretty simple.

the postman wrote:

Without Tim there to do everything for him, no, I don't think he will run under 3:30.

Went as expected.

3:28.68 High upside potential. WR may be his in a year

by a hair

7 tenths of a second in the 1500m is not by a hair for me. Maybe it is for you.

Coevett wrote:

You think because (according to you) there have been fewer doping positives this year when there have been practically no races is evidence Russian troll SpadeDetector/Observski is right and that I'm a 'pathological lier'???

To list all your lies from this forum several pages would be needed. So, it seems, yes, you are a pathological lier.