WFH mileage wrote:
Yes, but my parents aren’t. I think they want to see their grandchildren grow up.
Are they in a nursing home and on death's door?
If not, stop worrying about it
WFH mileage wrote:
Yes, but my parents aren’t. I think they want to see their grandchildren grow up.
Are they in a nursing home and on death's door?
If not, stop worrying about it
dis wrote:
dolan bray wrote:
Ok, so let's take out the entire Northeast and compare some of the southern states to other countries. Here are the death rates:
Louisiana - 1,055 deaths/million
Mississippi - 811 deaths/million
Arizona - 684 deaths/million
South Carolina - 515 deaths/million
Florida - 510 deaths/million
Georgia - 508 deaths/million
If these states were countries, excluding tiny countries like San Marino, Louisiana would be #1 in the world, Mississippi #3, Arizona #4, S Carolina #10, Florida #11 and Georgia #12. Louisiana, Mississippi and Arizona all have higher death rates than Spain, UK, and Italy - the hardest hit countries in Europe.
What's more, the daily death counts in those states currently are higher than the European countries ahead of them. Yet each of these states had an 2-3 extra months to prepare that the NY and NJ did not have.
You must have missed the part of statistics class where you talked about statistical weight. Despite only accounting for ~9% of the population, NY/NJ overrepresent the covid deaths at about 28% of the covid deaths in the US, so just these two states vastly move the mean and skew the data. I also don't get why you're comparing states with entire countries with vastly different population sizes. This virus, like pretty much all infectious diseases, spread within densely populated areas, so areas with smaller populations, and densely packed areas are going to see a higher % of cases just due to the fact that densely packed areas are going to have more weight in a small state as compared to a country as vast as Italy. It's not a fair comparison.
I’m really sure how to respond since you have made a bunch of contradictory and unrelated points.
Once again, I never stated that the NE did not have a disproportionate share of deaths. But that share is not static. On June 1, NY/NJ comprised 40% of total deaths and now it is only 26% and declining every week. But many posters seem to be asserting that if we just remove the NE the rest of the US is doing great. That’s simply not true. As I indicated, states like Louisiana and Miss have higher death rates than almost any other country in the world.
Regarding weighting, reporting the data on a per capita/per million basis generally eliminates the need for any additional weighting. For example, reporting GDP per capita allows for comparisons of countries with very different population bases. And because there is so much variation in death rates within the US by region and state it seems more meaningful to make comparisons at the more granular state level. Do you disagree?
Finally, the relationship between density and death rates is not always clear. There also appears to be a strong correlation between socio-economic status (which is correlated with comorbidities by age group) and death rates. There is undoubtedly an interaction effect with density, but how strong? For example, Mississippi does not have any large cities but its death rate is about the same as that of DC.
[quote]dolan bray wrote:
On June 1, NY/NJ comprised 40% of total deaths and now it is only 26% and declining every week.
Two states -- or four percent of the number of states or @ 8% of the nation's population -- is "only" 26% of total deaths.
Not sure you have a grasp of the meaning of the word only
The Unkle wrote:
[quote]dolan bray wrote:
On June 1, NY/NJ comprised 40% of total deaths and now it is only 26% and declining every week.
Two states -- or four percent of the number of states or @ 8% of the nation's population -- is "only" 26% of total deaths.
Not sure you have a grasp of the meaning of the word only
What's your point? How many times do I need to state that NY and NJ have a disproportionate share of deaths? 26% is a lot less than 40%, no? At one point NY alone had around 50% of the deaths.
I'm sorry I've been such a miserable sod.
I hope I can live a better and less bitter life moving forward.
Icouldbeyourmom wrote:
old news old views wrote:
COVID has done a great job of highlighting the selfishness and the inherent instability within the USA. "It's all about me and screw how my actions might impact others". Nice.
No. Covid has done a great job of highlighting the greed and inherent instability of a service economy. “Everyone lockdown to keep my grandma safe while I work my white collar job from home. But I won’t think twice ordering takeout from the guy whose hourly wage got cut at the local restaurant, who doesn’t have health insurance, and exposes himself to the virus daily. In fact, instead I’ll pat myself on the back for “supporting small business.”
The rich got even richer during this pandemic while they protected themselves from the virus. The poor kept on working for hourly wages, that is, IF they were lucky to keep their jobs
Absolutely. Great post.
Obvi wrote:
YMMV wrote:
A sh!tpile of "what ifs" doesn't add up to any kind of useful reality. What I posted was and is the reality.
As for anyone proposing the supposedly insurmountable effects of high population density: with a population nearly that of NYC, higher population density and an earlier infection history, Hong Kong has a total of 84 deaths. Not a typo, that is 84, not 84K. Without a Cuomo or de Blasio involved, and an intrinsically healthier population (highest meat consumption and longevity in the world), this scamdemic is no worse than a cold or flu.
You've posted zero useful information. Nothing.
Let me know when you've got something.
And so the swine snarfs up the pearls and poops them out undigested.
I've noticed... wrote:
... all while Cuomo sends infected elderly back onto retirement homes.
Twisted.
Cuomo is as slimy as it gets. Read the links in the article as well.
NY nursing home death toll will end up being between 11-13,000 due to malfeasance and administrative euthanasia- these are crimes.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/05/andrew-cuomo-immunity-nursing-home-lobbyists-coronavirus-covidAllen53, do they pay you in rubbles? Are the brojos the brokers? Maybe malamo?
Precious Roy wrote:
The best economy in the world right now is China. They had the most draconian lockdown of any country in the world. When it was over, the virus was completely contained and new outbreaks have been quickly detected and contained.
Roy claims to be a lawyer.
Lawyers defend murderers, rapists, and thieves for the right price.
Roy is now defending China.
Make of that what you will.
facts and reason wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
The best economy in the world right now is China. They had the most draconian lockdown of any country in the world. When it was over, the virus was completely contained and new outbreaks have been quickly detected and contained.
Roy claims to be a lawyer.
Lawyers defend murderers, rapists, and thieves for the right price.
Roy is now defending China.
Make of that what you will.
Sure. What I make of it, and what any rational person would make of it, is that you are playing childish rhetorical games.
Precious Roy is NOT giving a blanket defense of China (as you want to imply). Rather, he is saying that a particular approach involving a serious lockdown has been proven to be effective - vastly more effective than what we have done here in the US.
They can help you wrote:
Allen53, do they pay you in rubbles? Are the brojos the brokers? Maybe malamo?
^^
Good question.
Icouldbeyourmom wrote:
old news old views wrote:
COVID has done a great job of highlighting the selfishness and the inherent instability within the USA. "It's all about me and screw how my actions might impact others". Nice.
No. Covid has done a great job of highlighting the greed and inherent instability of a service economy. “Everyone lockdown to keep my grandma safe while I work my white collar job from home. But I won’t think twice ordering takeout from the guy whose hourly wage got cut at the local restaurant, who doesn’t have health insurance, and exposes himself to the virus daily. In fact, instead I’ll pat myself on the back for “supporting small business.”
The rich got even richer during this pandemic while they protected themselves from the virus. The poor kept on working for hourly wages, that is, IF they were lucky to keep their jobs
This. Ivory Tower Liberals are the real criminals here.
dolan bray wrote:
The Unkle wrote:
[quote]dolan bray wrote:
On June 1, NY/NJ comprised 40% of total deaths and now it is only 26% and declining every week.
Two states -- or four percent of the number of states or @ 8% of the nation's population -- is "only" 26% of total deaths.
Not sure you have a grasp of the meaning of the word only
What's your point? How many times do I need to state that NY and NJ have a disproportionate share of deaths? 26% is a lot less than 40%, no? At one point NY alone had around 50% of the deaths.
What's my point? You note that two states, which represent 4% of the total of 50 states, have 26% of the deaths and describe it as only 26%. You honestly don't see how stupid that is? You have to ask why my point is?
[quote]Obvi wrote:
[quote]I've noticed... wrote:
[quote]Obvi wrote:
Dear "I've noticed":
I can do even better. What happens when you take all the dead people out of the equation? In that case, we have ZERO deaths per million!
When you remove all the people who were on death's door both in nursing homes and without prior to Covid who almost certainly would have been dead by now anyway from the "Covid-related" death totals we are pretty much at zero deaths per million.
Good point.
Star wrote:
Leaving things wide open would overwhelm hospitals where people in that 99.99% group still need access to care.
How would we overwhelm the hospitals if people in that 99.99% group survive with ZERO medical intervention?
Isnt that 99.99% number worth anything?
dolan bray wrote:
dis wrote:
You must have missed the part of statistics class where you talked about statistical weight. Despite only accounting for ~9% of the population, NY/NJ overrepresent the covid deaths at about 28% of the covid deaths in the US, so just these two states vastly move the mean and skew the data. I also don't get why you're comparing states with entire countries with vastly different population sizes. This virus, like pretty much all infectious diseases, spread within densely populated areas, so areas with smaller populations, and densely packed areas are going to see a higher % of cases just due to the fact that densely packed areas are going to have more weight in a small state as compared to a country as vast as Italy. It's not a fair comparison.
But many posters seem to be asserting that if we just remove the NE the rest of the US is doing great. That’s simply not true.
Yes it is. It is true. The US is doing just fine. Go to your local grocery store and see how many people are there, walking around and going about their business. Yes they are wearing masks (more out of social obligation rather than disease prevention), but the entire country is still having BBQs, driving around, getting gas, going to the park, frequenting wal mart.
The Unkle wrote:
[quote]Obvi wrote:
[quote]I've noticed... wrote:
[quote]Obvi wrote:
Dear "I've noticed":
I can do even better. What happens when you take all the dead people out of the equation? In that case, we have ZERO deaths per million!
When you remove all the people who were on death's door both in nursing homes and without prior to Covid who almost certainly would have been dead by now anyway from the "Covid-related" death totals we are pretty much at zero deaths per million.
Good point.
Oh hey, it's K5! Hi K5. Guess we shouldn't worry about this thing at all, right? We have bigger things to worry about (like the J*ws). Amiright?
Bullet_Proof wrote:
dolan bray wrote:
But many posters seem to be asserting that if we just remove the NE the rest of the US is doing great. That’s simply not true.
Yes it is. It is true. The US is doing just fine. Go to your local grocery store and see how many people are there, walking around and going about their business. Yes they are wearing masks (more out of social obligation rather than disease prevention), but the entire country is still having BBQs, driving around, getting gas, going to the park, frequenting wal mart.
So, you are saying that 122,000 deaths outside of the Northeast is "doing just fine."
Got it.
What part of they were 99% on deaths door to begin with don’t you get?