Centrowitz looks finished

Iknowhe'sgood wrote:

He's already got a gold medal at marathon pace, why bother running a whole marathon?

This is too funny to not re-post

Centro showed world class potential in high school with that national championship 2M, and won World bronze behind two likely dopers, Asbel Kiprop and Silas Kiplagat while he was still a collegian coached by Andy Powell.

At this point, even though he was never one for running lots of Euro time trial races, he has three of the most impressive pr's among Americans, with the 1:44/3:30/13:00 (other 3:30 runners like Wheating and Webb have run 1:44 or better, but not 13 flat (Bernard Lagat (3:26.34/3:27 as an American, 12:53 but 1:46 800 somehow) and Sydney Maree must be closest, with 3:29.77/13:01.15, but no 800m listed and only 2:19 1k), as well as World silver and bronze, Olympic gold, and World indoor gold.

Centro's coming back from injury and must be pleased to have run 1:50, which shows that he can at least run faster than 1500m pace. In another month, he'd be close to his old form. I still think he'll be ready for trials next year.

gdfgd wrote:

Could just be that he's an Olympic gold medalist and doesn't care much for a small, pointless meet.

In which case, he is finished.

Hayduke wrote:

This isn’t the 80’s where a miler can move up and use his speed like eamon or whoever. The 5k Guys have just as much speed as the aging milers now

That’s a weak take. You clearly don’t watch the sport at all. Plenty of runners move up from the 1500 to the 5k successfully. Ever heard of Bernard Lagat, Lopez Lomong, Hellen Obiri, Shelby Houlihan? There’s also this dude named Hicham El Guerrouj. Idk if you’ve heard of him though.

It is astounding to me how everyone knows Salazar is guilty of cheating, but none of the athletes are. This is a good example of somebody who was on the sauce but is no longer on the sauce. He got his "gold medal" out of the deal and can live happily ever after.

He spends too much time in front of computer screen thinking that's the rest from running. It's the opposite. If he doesn't stop that life-style he shouldn't expect to be back running fast again. He'll keep getting injured over and over. It's his choice, that's what I want to say.

PrZ wrote:

Hayduke wrote:

This isn’t the 80’s where a miler can move up and use his speed like eamon or whoever. The 5k Guys have just as much speed as the aging milers now

That’s a weak take. You clearly don’t watch the sport at all. Plenty of runners move up from the 1500 to the 5k successfully. Ever heard of Bernard Lagat, Lopez Lomong, Hellen Obiri, Shelby Houlihan? There’s also this dude named Hicham El Guerrouj. Idk if you’ve heard of him though.

You missed his whole point. He's saying that Centro isn't going to be able to use his speed to win tactical 5ks because the top 5k guys are both stronger over distance and likely faster over the mile than Centro at this stage of his career, when he is pretty clearly in decline. Houlihan and Obiri moved up during their prime. As did Lagat and El Guerrouj, who were also significantly better than Centro ever was. Lomong is a nice story and seems like a good guy but was never really a factor on the world stage at either event.

This. Other 5k runners can close as fast as Centro in addition to being able to hold a faster pace throughout a race. But even a move up to the 5k wouldn't help him much since the young blood in the 5k can handily beat him. He has no chance against Cheptegei, Kipruto, Barega, and others. Centro's sphere to be top flight has shrunk to solely the US, maybe.

El G did not move away from the 1500 and up to the 5000. He ran them at his best level at the same time.

Same as Lagat. His best 5000 was when he was racing the 1500.

Lomong seems about as good at 5000 as he was at the 1500.

I don’t see Centro doing better at the 5 than he can do at the 15.

Cut him some slack. First race after coming back. U r telling me u have never been hit missed time and first race back was sub par? Not important to be ready now be ready at USAs and Tokyo

gdfgd wrote:

Could just be that he's an Olympic gold medalist and doesn't care much for a small, pointless meet.

#Facts!

is the fire gone? wrote:

It's not the slow time in the 800m (1:50) last night that makes me think this.

Its his unwillingness to even get in the mix. Kerr made them all look like boys, sure, but I was surprised to see Centro actually looking spent after that effort. If you watched the stream, he was hanging over the fence.

Might be time for him to move up to the 5k while he's still got some speed...

The premise of this thread is ridiculous. He hasn't been healthy, he's missed a lot of training. He's trying to probably reach his 5th race for his contract or something. He simply raced before he was fit. The reason he didn't get into the mix was because the race went out quickly. I think it went out in 51 or 52, which is pretty tough when you're not super race sharp.

He's fine. He's just not fully back. He hasn't been healthy. Nothing to see here. Look for him to be an Olympian next year pretty easily. If fully healthy, he'll be in medal shape AGAIN.

How many times has a Centro posted in this thread?My guess is 3.

totally not trying to troll but he came out right? heard he's lowkey trying to become "Matilda" or something

Why was Silas a “likely doper”?

I think he's done over 1500m. I'm discounting this year's results because he was injured. (Jogging through several time trials just to satisfy contractual requirements demonstrates that). But last year he was completely healthy, lost at nationals to Engels who is hardly a world-beater. Engels can make a championship final but that's his ceiling. Centro, the Olympic champion, couldn't outkick him. He runs a fast 5,000, then is a non-factor in the World Championships, finishing 8th. Centro is 30, soon to be 31. El Guerrouj retired at that age. Can he move up to the 5k? Possibly. I don't think he's ever run a 5,000 against a top quality Diamond League field. Lagat moved up to 5k and was successful, but there's very few Lagats in this world. Even Centro's 13:00 doesn't look all that impressive after Cheptegei ran 12:35 just this season.

Les wrote:

I think he's done over 1500m. I'm discounting this year's results because he was injured. (Jogging through several time trials just to satisfy contractual requirements demonstrates that). But last year he was completely healthy, lost at nationals to Engels who is hardly a world-beater. Engels can make a championship final but that's his ceiling. Centro, the Olympic champion, couldn't outkick him. He runs a fast 5,000, then is a non-factor in the World Championships, finishing 8th. Centro is 30, soon to be 31. El Guerrouj retired at that age. Can he move up to the 5k? Possibly. I don't think he's ever run a 5,000 against a top quality Diamond League field. Lagat moved up to 5k and was successful, but there's very few Lagats in this world. Even Centro's 13:00 doesn't look all that impressive after Cheptegei ran 12:35 just this season.

I mean all it takes is for him to get in 13-flat shape again *and* get back his kick. Then a slower championship race and he can do it.

No way these 5k guys have the speed, but esp acceleration, of the pure 1500 guys. Almost, but not quite.

Yeah I mean I doubt Centro is going to be in top 1500 shape again.

He'd be better to stay on the track but at 5000m. 13:00 was just ran last year. He still has stuff in the tank

Centro always starts off his season looking terrible. It is just how he does is it. He always peaks very late in the season, just in time for the WCs or Olympics. Along the way, he will have several races where he just is not even in it over the last 200m.