College kids are the worst. They also should not be allowed to vote in local elections. They love to vote for property tax increases and then flee the state. Hell, they don't even really live here!
College kids are the worst. They also should not be allowed to vote in local elections. They love to vote for property tax increases and then flee the state. Hell, they don't even really live here!
Yes, and that 1 person in 400 who gets it that dies is very likely to be elderly and unhealthy already.
E.g., exactly the kind of people that die all the time from anything.
Bad Wigins wrote:
epi demi wrote:
It is intended to not overwhelm hospitals. So many of you have forgotten or do not understand.
Right, I forgot all the hospitals being overwhelmed! That was awful. Oh wait, that never happened.
Stopped looking at LRC a while ago; tired of hearing mental heavyweights like Bad Wigins strut their stuff, good to see they are still at it.
Bad Wigins - you have made a complete and total fool of yourself through this entire pandemic, please just stop posting about COVID. Look at the number of COVID deaths in South Korea and the United States in early April and compare to where these are at now. COVID is currently the third leading cause of death in the US, compare this to Canada, Australia, Japan, or take your pick of other countries which have handled this better. Everyone on here thinks that they are in the top decile of thinkers and apply shotty math, logic, and selective statistics before talking in an echo chamber with similarly unformed laypeople and then this self appointed Mensa club gives us post after post of uninformed nonsense and circular arguments.
To your point, the hospital system was overwhelmed to one extent of the other in April in New York, Detroit, New Orleans and you saw the death rate in NYC (per capita) exceed what was seen at the peak of the 1918 influenza pandemic, due in part to the hospital systems being overwhelmed and lack of care for other problems (STEMI patients were not taken to the cath lab, etc), due in part to people not seeking care for other medical problems because of fear of exposure, and due to how lethal COVID is and people dying with it at home or in the hospital including confirmed and unconfirmed (untested) patients. Since that time we haven't seen hospital systems overwhelmed to that point, which is good and prevents needless deaths from other conditions, due to public awareness and public heath measures. We may be able to plod along in a steady state of misery like we have been with these measures, but nobody exists in isolation and infections in younger people have a ripple effect to the entire community. One of the biggest barriers in the US has been lack of a consistent message and poor understanding of various aspects this pandemic; LRC either reflects or perpetuates this, not sure which one, but disheartening to see that even with more time and information the same counterproductive arguments are being repeated here.
hydrochloroquine wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Right, I forgot all the hospitals being overwhelmed! That was awful. Oh wait, that never happened.
Stopped looking at LRC a while ago; tired of hearing mental heavyweights like Bad Wigins strut their stuff, good to see they are still at it.
Bad Wigins - you have made a complete and total fool of yourself through this entire pandemic, please just stop posting about COVID. Look at the number of COVID deaths in South Korea and the United States in early April and compare to where these are at now. COVID is currently the third leading cause of death in the US, compare this to Canada, Australia, Japan, or take your pick of other countries which have handled this better. Everyone on here thinks that they are in the top decile of thinkers and apply shotty math, logic, and selective statistics before talking in an echo chamber with similarly unformed laypeople and then this self appointed Mensa club gives us post after post of uninformed nonsense and circular arguments.
To your point, the hospital system was overwhelmed to one extent of the other in April in New York, Detroit, New Orleans and you saw the death rate in NYC (per capita) exceed what was seen at the peak of the 1918 influenza pandemic, due in part to the hospital systems being overwhelmed and lack of care for other problems (STEMI patients were not taken to the cath lab, etc), due in part to people not seeking care for other medical problems because of fear of exposure, and due to how lethal COVID is and people dying with it at home or in the hospital including confirmed and unconfirmed (untested) patients. Since that time we haven't seen hospital systems overwhelmed to that point, which is good and prevents needless deaths from other conditions, due to public awareness and public heath measures. We may be able to plod along in a steady state of misery like we have been with these measures, but nobody exists in isolation and infections in younger people have a ripple effect to the entire community. One of the biggest barriers in the US has been lack of a consistent message and poor understanding of various aspects this pandemic; LRC either reflects or perpetuates this, not sure which one, but disheartening to see that even with more time and information the same counterproductive arguments are being repeated here.
amen.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
big HONKING birds wrote:
Two weeks to stop the spread
No sorry four weeks
Just a few more months!
Ok just until there's a vaccine
Enjoy voting for Biden and loving your wife's son.
And yea, those people who are at risk should not be out in public regardless. The rest of us non-immunocompromised people know the death rate is .02% among people with no underlying health issues.
So far there have been 242 deaths from Covid of people 15-24, including those with pre-existing conditions. If the death rate was .02% that would mean 1.25 million infected in this age group. In really in excess of 10 million. This is a nonissue for young people. Young people of the world, go out and booze it up and give the middle finger to those calling for shutdowns. They are sacrificing your financial future for their own security. Just like they already have with social security (plus other entitlements), overpopulation, and the economy.
It is time for the young people of the world to stop letting the boomers crap on their futures.
Okay Boomer.
Good thing none of these students have parents or older family members.
Donnie & Marie wrote:
Just another xc guy wrote:
Columbus, OH resident here. Running through the university area this weekend was a nightmare. Students aren't even fully back yet but saw at least 15-20 parties with 20+ people, no masks, no distancing. I feel as though it will get very bad, very soon.
That has been going on all summer.
Yes, there have been parties going on all summer but don't even try to compare it to the scale of what's currently going on and the weeks to come.
Most students went home and haven't been going out all summer. Now EVERY student is back on campus and hasn't seen majority of their friends all summer. Give it about 4 weeks, there will be hotspots all over college cities. Predominately major cities where the colleges are integrated into the communities with middle/older age populations.
If the students get sick at school explain how that endangers grandma? Don't send grandma to a college dorm or frat party if she's 90 and needs an oxygen bottle. You can separate out the very elderly and let the rest of society get on with their life. If there is some school employee who falls in the vulnerable category then realistically they would have been vulnerable to many other viruses that circulate campuses. There is a very marginal heightened threat due to COVID to about 98% of the population and high threat to a very small segment of the population that is at risk for many other things. We are making policy based on a small segment of the population many of whom have died due to COVID that would already be dead if COVID never came along.
hydrochloroquine wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Right, I forgot all the hospitals being overwhelmed! That was awful. Oh wait, that never happened.
Stopped looking at LRC a while ago; tired of hearing mental heavyweights like Bad Wigins strut their stuff, good to see they are still at it.
Bad Wigins - you have made a complete and total fool of yourself through this entire pandemic, please just stop posting about COVID. Look at the number of COVID deaths in South Korea and the United States in early April and compare to where these are at now. COVID is currently the third leading cause of death in the US, compare this to Canada, Australia, Japan, or take your pick of other countries which have handled this better. Everyone on here thinks that they are in the top decile of thinkers and apply shotty math, logic, and selective statistics before talking in an echo chamber with similarly unformed laypeople and then this self appointed Mensa club gives us post after post of uninformed nonsense and circular arguments.
To your point, the hospital system was overwhelmed to one extent of the other in April in New York, Detroit, New Orleans and you saw the death rate in NYC (per capita) exceed what was seen at the peak of the 1918 influenza pandemic, due in part to the hospital systems being overwhelmed and lack of care for other problems (STEMI patients were not taken to the cath lab, etc), due in part to people not seeking care for other medical problems because of fear of exposure, and due to how lethal COVID is and people dying with it at home or in the hospital including confirmed and unconfirmed (untested) patients. Since that time we haven't seen hospital systems overwhelmed to that point, which is good and prevents needless deaths from other conditions, due to public awareness and public heath measures. We may be able to plod along in a steady state of misery like we have been with these measures, but nobody exists in isolation and infections in younger people have a ripple effect to the entire community. One of the biggest barriers in the US has been lack of a consistent message and poor understanding of various aspects this pandemic; LRC either reflects or perpetuates this, not sure which one, but disheartening to see that even with more time and information the same counterproductive arguments are being repeated here.
Thanks for sharing. Reading your post, it's apparent that you are a epidemiologist or virologists or like to pretend to be one. Now, back to your basement.
skeet fandom wrote:
Yeah, so terrible. A bunch of college kids asymptotic giving it to other kids that will be asymptotic then in 2 weeks it will be gone.
If college students were asymptotic, there would be no problems. They would never touch.
CancellLRC wrote:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/17/alabama-georgia-college-parties-covid/
Herd Immunity!!!!
1) Test positive
2) Infect 2-3 people
3) Build antibodies
4) Get vaccinated (once available)
5) Virus dies off
Covid-19 will be old news by the spring of 2021.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
If the students get sick at school explain how that endangers grandma? Don't send grandma to a college dorm or frat party if she's 90 and needs an oxygen bottle. You can separate out the very elderly and let the rest of society get on with their life. If there is some school employee who falls in the vulnerable category then realistically they would have been vulnerable to many other viruses that circulate campuses. There is a very marginal heightened threat due to COVID to about 98% of the population and high threat to a very small segment of the population that is at risk for many other things. We are making policy based on a small segment of the population many of whom have died due to COVID that would already be dead if COVID never came along.
Put simply for your edification:
A) Lots of students catch COVID at parties, bars, and classes.
B) They bring it home to their parents and grandparents.
C) They give it to staff and teachers and people throughout society with whom they interact at restaurants, bars, grocery stores, etc.
D) Those people are elderly or pass it on to the elderly people in their family or those they care for at hospitals, doctors' offices, nursing homes, etc.
E) Lots of people get sick.
F) Lots of people die.
big HONKING birds wrote:
Just another xc guy wrote:
Yeah it's all good let's just be really casual about letting this thing hang around for several years. I'm shocked all you Trumpsters who want life back to normal so badly wouldn't be more motivated to just suck it up for a month and kill this thing off, but "freedom" and "rights" and "communism" or something like that, right?
Hey, as long as you don't die, who cares.
Two weeks to stop the spread
No sorry four weeks
Just a few more months!
Ok just until there's a vaccine
Enjoy voting for Biden and loving your wife's son.
And yea, those people who are at risk should not be out in public regardless. The rest of us non-immunocompromised people know the death rate is .02% among people with no underlying health issues.
Exactly! All those folks who are more likely to die from this thing can just go F off. I'll be damned if I inconvenience myself for anyone else's sake!
Gina wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
So far there have been 242 deaths from Covid of people 15-24, including those with pre-existing conditions. If the death rate was .02% that would mean 1.25 million infected in this age group. In really in excess of 10 million. This is a nonissue for young people. Young people of the world, go out and booze it up and give the middle finger to those calling for shutdowns. They are sacrificing your financial future for their own security. Just like they already have with social security (plus other entitlements), overpopulation, and the economy.
It is time for the young people of the world to stop letting the boomers crap on their futures.
Okay Boomer.
Good thing none of these students have parents or older family members.
So maybe they don't have to go home and see mommy and daddy every 4 weeks this year, that's their choice not ours to make. Besides, it seems the Universities have already filled the parental role for these grossly-extended adolescent "adults" in college these days.
zxczxcv wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
If the students get sick at school explain how that endangers grandma? Don't send grandma to a college dorm or frat party if she's 90 and needs an oxygen bottle. You can separate out the very elderly and let the rest of society get on with their life. If there is some school employee who falls in the vulnerable category then realistically they would have been vulnerable to many other viruses that circulate campuses. There is a very marginal heightened threat due to COVID to about 98% of the population and high threat to a very small segment of the population that is at risk for many other things. We are making policy based on a small segment of the population many of whom have died due to COVID that would already be dead if COVID never came along.
Put simply for your edification:
A) Lots of students catch COVID at parties, bars, and classes.
B) They bring it home to their parents and grandparents.
C) They give it to staff and teachers and people throughout society with whom they interact at restaurants, bars, grocery stores, etc.
D) Those people are elderly or pass it on to the elderly people in their family or those they care for at hospitals, doctors' offices, nursing homes, etc.
E) Lots of people get sick.
F) Lots of people die.
Wow!
How about:
A) Lots of students catch COVID at parties, bars, and classes.
B) College kids should now stay away from their parents and grandparents more than ever!
C) They mask up & social distance to the best of their ability to avoid infecting staff & teachers
D) Everyone should AVOID elderly, and hospitals, doctor's offices, nursing homes, etc.
E) Some people get sick.
F) An extremely small number will die.
Distancing spreads out the infections to such an extent that they become almost non-existent, which has happened in many countries already. Their death rate due to COVID-19 has fallen to almost nothing for those months. It will continue more or less like that as they open up cautiously but test and contact trace for flare-ups. And then when vaccines start to become available within five months from now, they will come out of this with, in some cases, absolutely minuscule death rates compared to us, and in other cases, with almost all their deaths in the first two to three months as their plans came to fruition. We could easily have been like the European countries with high initial death rates in parts of the country (which we had in the Northeast) and then almost nothing until the vaccines. Instead, we have 173,000 dead. The only major industrialized country to fail the test. And we have 30 million newly unemployed.
Well, in your alternative, they aren't disciplined enough to mask up in classes, so they pass it to each other and their teachers, and why then would they be disciplined enough to mask up elsewhere?
How do doctors, receptionists, nursing home attendants, and nurses avoid the elderly?
zxczxcv wrote:
How do doctors, receptionists, nursing home attendants, and nurses avoid the elderly?
We don't. We wear masks, wash our hands frequently, and distance as much as possible. We are not talking about healthcare workers though, right?
766 wrote:
zxczxcv wrote:
How do doctors, receptionists, nursing home attendants, and nurses avoid the elderly?
We don't. We wear masks, wash our hands frequently, and distance as much as possible. We are not talking about healthcare workers though, right?
And normal people somehow can't do this?
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Just Another LRC Idiot wrote:
Debt ridden? You should have worked harder to earn scholarship so that you could graduate debt free. Too bad you didn't take enough responsibility for your school work.
Ahh, college student loans. Yet another socialistic failure the Dems don't want to take credit for. Before they created student loans you could actually work your way through college. As soon as federal aid started pretty soon the lobbies got smart and took advantage of the system. College costs soon got out of control as policies got worse and worse. Now a college degree is a requirement just to play the game of life before people on got useful degrees or did vocational schools to learn actual schools. Now half the degrees are worthless without masters. Before the government got involved the college system was far more effective and efficient.
We all have personal responsibility. But I was an idiot at 18 and so was everyone else. $150K of debt but hey you'll be making triple figures a year out of school and be in the black for life in no time, I'm IN! No lender would ever give a teenager tens of thousands to pursue a liberal arts degree with no collateral. The only way that happens is if Uncle Sam makes it possible. And since Uncles Sam is spending someone else's money who cares if they're getting a good deal.
Oh, Those goody two shoes Dems, what a wonderful system they've created out of their endless compassion. If you aren't lucky enough to be in that tiny fraction of the population who gets a full scholarship or is born into means all you have to do to get in the game of life is straddle yourself with $150K of loans.
https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/04/what-s-behind-america-s-soaring-college-costs/360462/
Avg student loan debt is around $30K. Those who go to grad school incur more. Those who go to med school/dental/law incur more. Avg monthly payment is $200-$300/month (for those not in deferment).
When I read or hear horror stories and dig deeper it is often people who have one of the following criteria (or more):
1) Went to a small, private liberal arts college
2) Got a degree that is not marketable or that gets that initial job
3) Went to grad or dental (man USC dental school is crazy expensive), law, or medical school (then choosing a job that is low pay like being a public defender or working as a community organizer or for some justice institute).
4) Living beyond their means (eating out a lot, new car, kids in private school, etc).