Bekele's 12:37 is superior to Cheptegei's 12:35

Tactegei wrote:

the king lives wrote:

The king isn't dead.

Bekele runs 12:31 without mechanical doping.

Great run by Cheptegei nevertheless.

Cheptegei ran a smart, tactical race. He knew the light had better closing speed. He didn't take advantage of the mechanical doping but he knew the light would.

You have this exactly wrong. He knew the light was a master of pacing and had great composure and would not be drawn into any early moves. Chep was correct to save some for the end, knowing the light would have trouble producing a finishing kick.

The light was behind him.

Unless he had eyes on the back of his head, the light didn’t help !

Charlesvdw wrote:

The light was behind him.

Unless he had eyes on the back of his head, the light didn’t help !

You are so stupid. Maybe actually read the posts in a thread before chiming in and confirming your ignorance for all to see.

the king lives wrote:

The king isn't dead.

Bekele runs 12:31 without mechanical doping.

Great run by Cheptegei nevertheless.

Do you really think "Mechanical Doping"....aka "Pacing lights" made that much of a difference? Clearly anyone who believes that is an IDIOT!!!!! The spike technology is debatable and could actually correlate to shaving seconds of time, but the pacing lights???? It doesn't matter what the lights are doing or what color they are, either you're able to run fast and keep up or not. Just because you see these lights in front of you doesn't mean jack squat. There's absolutely no physical advantage whatsoever. When your body hits a point of lactic overload you can have Christmas trees all around you and you'll still tie up and slow down.

"Go Run One"

Charlesvdw wrote:

The light was behind him.

Unless he had eyes on the back of his head, the light didn’t help !

Finally someone has spotted this.

yWo wrote:

Charlesvdw wrote:

The light was behind him.

Unless he had eyes on the back of his head, the light didn’t help !

You are so stupid. Maybe actually read the posts in a thread before chiming in and confirming your ignorance for all to see.

You can still go too fast and have no way of knowing if pace is consistent

Tron wrote:

Milethon wrote:

Amazing run! However, i don't see how a pace light isn't considered outside pacing. High schoolers get disqualified in events from teammates running and cheering inside the infield for a few yards. That is a lot less of an advantahe compared to a light.

yeah, it was a great run and he did it but I just don't see why something like that was allowed this year. A big variable in distance running is the pacing and this to a certain degree eliminates that variable.

You can't draft off of a light, though.

I have no problem with the light, just as I don't have a problem with people calling out splits. Nor do I care that good watch can tell you your pace at any point.

In my mind I still have the WR. I am the only competitor I can say with 100% certainty raced clean. Not saying nobody else hasn’t, I just can’t prove it without a doubt. Just saying...

keep it running pal wrote:

dirty athlete, dirty shoes, dirty pace light. everything about this was a fraud

Welcome to the new normal.

I guess that means that Jim Ryun, running without special shoes, on a slow cinder track breathing dust, no pace lighting, drugs, etc should still be the world record holder in the mile. According to all the excuses listed in all the comments, Jim's time should be worth about 10 secs faster, at least. It's called progress. No one spent the 70s and 80s complaining about who was better because of shoes, etc. They were always getting better, it's called progress.

DC Wonk wrote:

the king lives wrote:

The king isn't dead.

Bekele runs 12:31 without mechanical doping.

Great run by Cheptegei nevertheless.

LOL! Sure. Just like Trump has his virus under control. Cheptegei will almost surely take down the 10k record as well.

Do you practice being an a$$hole?

JC after the race on BBC

"What light?" - JC

more than 2:30 wrote:

But the pacers were following the lights before 6:00 and Cheptegei was following the pacers, so therefore Cheptegei was still benefitting from the lights.

You’d be crazy to say that the lights don’t give an advantage in a race, even if you’re running in front of it. If I have 100m to go and the light still isn’t in front of me, you better believe I’m hauling to try to keep the lead on it for a world record. Likewise, if the light pulls ahead with 450m to go, you better believe I’m going to try to dig a little deeper to stay with it.

^this. Imagine if KB had a pacing light when he missed the marathon WR by 2 seconds.

12:35 is faster than 12:37

the king lives wrote:

The king isn't dead.

Bekele runs 12:31 without mechanical doping.

Great run by Cheptegei nevertheless.

The thing with records is, it doesn't matter.

The new world record holder is this guy.

You may as well compare that guy to Pheidippides

Angel Eyes wrote:

the king lives wrote:

The king isn't dead.

Bekele runs 12:31 without mechanical doping.

Great run by Cheptegei nevertheless.

Do you really think "Mechanical Doping"....aka "Pacing lights" made that much of a difference? Clearly anyone who believes that is an IDIOT!!!!! The spike technology is debatable and could actually correlate to shaving seconds of time, but the pacing lights???? It doesn't matter what the lights are doing or what color they are, either you're able to run fast and keep up or not. Just because you see these lights in front of you doesn't mean jack squat. There's absolutely no physical advantage whatsoever. When your body hits a point of lactic overload you can have Christmas trees all around you and you'll still tie up and slow down.

"Go Run One"

+1

And the lights were mostly behind him. He only had the benefit of drafting a real person for half the race.

fattyatthegym wrote:

In my mind I still have the WR. I am the only competitor I can say with 100% certainty raced clean. Not saying nobody else hasn’t, I just can’t prove it without a doubt. Just saying...

Actually, you can't even be 100% certain about yourself. You may have unknowingly ingested a banned PED at some point. Or possibly a vengeful massage therapist rubbed a bit of steroid cream on your body hoping you'd get busted if tested. Luckily you are too slow, even after ingesting the banned PEDs and getting rubbed with Steroid cream, to ever actually get tested cause nobody cares about your 19:25 5000 meter run

frankly we could learn a bit from other sports. swimming comes to mind. yes new tech will always be in play - to an extent.

if the race was run (it was) under all current guidelines - and pending any type of anomaly blood/urine results - the clock says its a faster time. its a legit WR treat it as such.

just saying.

wight iverson wrote:

frankly we could learn a bit from other sports. swimming comes to mind. yes new tech will always be in play - to an extent.

if the race was run (it was) under all current guidelines - and pending any type of anomaly blood/urine results - the clock says its a faster time. its a legit WR treat it as such.

just saying.

Doesn’t tell us much. Just as laws can be unjust (like it being legal to own slaves at one point in time) the rules can be unjust as well (and absolutely are, this shoe fiesta that has been going on for 4 years now is destroying the sport).