Kamala Harris is VP Pick

I'm not going to recite all the things he campaigned on and write you an essay about the ways in which Obama ran his 2008 campaign. If you didn't live it and want to learn more about go read up on it. But yes, he courted the progressive wing in 2008 and yes going after people online was not a normal thing at that time and was seen as progressive and his rhetoric about the way he sought to bring change to Washington was progressive. If you want more specifics go read about it.

King Tiger wrote:

nope wrote:

I think if Harris can a better job of courting he progressives than Biden has done so far they have a real shot. While most progressives do not see her as a progressive she has a fairly progressive track record in the senate. Its her experience as an AG that puts people off.

The DNC gave AOC a 60 second prerecorded speaking slot at their conference. (Are they scared she is going to go off script?)

Meanwhile John Kasich, and Bill Clinton (yes foking Bill Clinton!) get full speaking slots.

Still think the Dems care about progressives?

DNC hates the progressive wing of the party. DNC represents the revolving door of government service and private sector profit off government service. They are completely captured by big business. Just look at Jay Carney. Obama's press secretary. Walks out of the White House and into a seven figure job as the PR guy for Amazon. The progressive wing of the party is a direct threat to this patronage system. That is why you saw Klobuchar and Pete drop out and simultaneously endorse Biden. They wanted to put down Bernie's insurgent campaign. Preserving the DNC relationship with big money was more important than selecting the best nominee, which Biden clearly was not.

And DNC knows that the progressive wing of the party will take their lumps and vote for Biden. They do not have to do anything to earn the progressive vote. All this campaign will be about is pandering to the center and never Trumpers.

Here for those incapable of googling anything:

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/politics/09campaign.html

https://www.npr.org/2013/01/05/168696568/obamas-on-again-off-again-relationship-with-progressives

nope wrote:

I'm not going to recite all the things he campaigned on and write you an essay about the ways in which Obama ran his 2008 campaign. If you didn't live it and want to learn more about go read up on it. But yes, he courted the progressive wing in 2008 and yes going after people online was not a normal thing at that time and was seen as progressive and his rhetoric about the way he sought to bring change to Washington was progressive. If you want more specifics go read about it.

My request was remarkably simple. If you are so adamant that Obama/Biden ran a much more progressive campaign than Biden/Harris will be capable of then it should be EASY for you to point out why that is your stance, not a chore.

Saying "Hope and Change" and using social media is not making Obama/Biden any more progressive than Biden/Harris. It's laughable to think that progressives are simple-minded enough to think that.

If you actually gave a damn about progressive issues and helping people impacted you’d do everything you can to vote Trump out.

But you’re comfortable and doing well, it doesn’t impact you directly. Nothing but selfish handwringing.

It was quite easy, I googled several articles about it for you which you were apparently unable to do. Maybe go read them instead of arguing about something you clearly do not know anything about.

nope wrote:

It was quite easy, I googled several articles about it for you which you were apparently unable to do. Maybe go read them instead of arguing about something you clearly do not know anything about.

First, you posted those as I wrote my response.

Second, it's ironic that you are painting me lazy while not being able to defend your stance in your own words.

Yes, they sure took their lumps and voted for Hilary didn't they? Oh wait....

You are spot on on the rest of it. But no, a large amount of progressives will not vote for an 'anti-Trump' ticket with no other substance.

semsurrrrrrrr wrote:

If you actually gave a damn about progressive issues and helping people impacted you’d do everything you can to vote Trump out.

But you’re comfortable and doing well, it doesn’t impact you directly. Nothing but selfish handwringing.

The most progressive thing you can do is vote for a 3rd party.

nope wrote:

Here for those incapable of googling anything:

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/politics/09campaign.htmlhttps://www.npr.org/2013/01/05/168696568/obamas-on-again-off-again-relationship-with-progressives

Every single stance that Obama explains in both of these articles are also held by Biden. Every one of them, "nope".

I used my own words. I do not recall all of his specific campaign promises from over a decade ago, sorry. What I recall was Obama ran a campaign in which he appealed to the progressive wing and I cited a few examples. Sorry if they were too vague for you that you felt the need to challenge me on it. I guess writing several responses and googling some articles for you is somehow lazy.

So Biden is for universal healthcare now? Odd I recall there being a debate almost entirely about just that in which he argued against it. I guess I really am getting old, imagining things like Biden now.

nope wrote:

So Biden is for universal healthcare now? Odd I recall there being a debate almost entirely about just that in which he argued against it. I guess I really am getting old, imagining things like Biden now.

My guess is that you didn't miss it, you just think that universal healthcare and Medicare for All is the same thing.

Ehh, honestly 4 more years of Trump just might be what this country needs in order to move further to the left. If the current chaos isn't enough for people to realize that in order keep up with the rest of the world we need progress and not more of the same than maybe another 4 years will help. I am fine waiting. The alternative isn't really all that much more attractive. If you turn off the TV and live your life you might feel the same.

nope wrote:

Ehh, honestly 4 more years of Trump just might be what this country needs in order to move further to the left. If the current chaos isn't enough for people to realize that in order keep up with the rest of the world we need progress and not more of the same than maybe another 4 years will help. I am fine waiting. The alternative isn't really all that much more attractive. If you turn off the TV and live your life you might feel the same.

Yeah a 7-2 majority on the Supreme Court will surely help achieve all of that.

Live in the real world.

No, but 1 person argued for a plan to give every American healthcare and another argued against that.

King Tiger wrote:

semsurrrrrrrr wrote:

If you actually gave a damn about progressive issues and helping people impacted you’d do everything you can to vote Trump out.

But you’re comfortable and doing well, it doesn’t impact you directly. Nothing but selfish handwringing.

The most progressive thing you can do is vote for a 3rd party.

No let’s not worry about insignificant things like the Supreme Court, minority voter suppression from the GOP or immigrant rights. Way to be progressive bro.

nope wrote:

No, but 1 person argued for a plan to give every American healthcare and another argued against that.

That is not accurate.

nope wrote:

No, but 1 person argued for a plan to give every American healthcare and another argued against that.

There is more than one issue.