Max Burgin 18year Old 1:44.8 800m...WOW

objectiveobserver wrote:

usnspecialist wrote:

Burgin is exceedingly talented, but also has done nothing to prove that he is on the same level as Brazier. Brazier dominated a world championship final (his 3rd race in 4 days) running a time that is 2.5 seconds faster than Burgin has ever run. Let's calm the hype train a bit here.

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I don´t think it is fair to compare 18 years old Burgin´s time with Brazier´s performance last year in Doha. Brazier is in his prime or close. Burgin will everything equal be able to improve significantly from here.

Brazier ran 1:47, 55 at 18!

I was responding to the person who said it was brazier vs burgin now. I agree with you that you can not compare the two at this point, and that was the entire premise of my post...

fasterer wrote:

Sapel wrote:

Listen, once Brazier switches over to the Viperflies like Burgin has done, we will see low 1:41 quite rapidly and then a true assault on the WR.

....Yet Rudisha was hitting 1:40 on Adidas Adizero MDs in 2012.

BTW, Burgin is obviously the real deal.

The naysayers or Morans

True, Nike have no sprint WRs on the mens side 100m-800m

amos is full of red flags

brb seeing a caucasian on rudisha timeline. wow hard work pays off

Impala31 wrote:

usnspecialist wrote:

He certainly has a great chance to get there by Paris 2024, but expecting it for tokyo 2021 is not fair to him.

A 18yo guy running 1:44 solo in the first race of the season can defenitely run 1:43 this year in a big race and 1:42 low next year which will put him in great position for a OG medal if he stays injury free and can handle the heats

I think you are drastically underestimating a few factors.

1) how big of a jump it is from 144.8 to "142 low" (which for me is 142.30 or faster). I'm not saying burgin cant get there eventually, but getting there in 12 months is setting some massive unrealistic expectations for the kid.

2) how he handles the heats at worlds. This is a kid that has never run rounds at a major senior championship, and the 800m rounds are notoriously brutal with the 24 to 8 cut. Last year it took sub 145 (a time that burgin has eked under one time) in order to make the final, and that was after having run a race the day before.

3) staying healthy is not a given. He already struggled at the end of last season with injuries and the 800m is deep enough right now that showing up even slightly injured/out of shape can be thr death knell.

I want nothing but the best for burgin, and if he wins a medal next year I will be the first to accept the "I told you so's", but he has some developing to do and I just don't think 12 months is enough time to get it done.

troller n chief wrote:

Big whoop, Amos ran 1:41.7 at 18 years of age.

Than never ran faster. 18 my arse!

It’s not a small local meet, it’s a BMC 800m which which have entry standards and draw competition from across the whole country, people will drive for hours to go to one. Still highly impressive though- I was watching the livestream.

Hey, ukathleticscoach, why do you dismiss that Amos ran 1:41.89 in 2019? He basically ran his PR seven years (7) after his 1:41.73 in 2012, which is a damn testament to his hard work and ethic and professionalism.

The closest that, for example, Seb Coe (GBR) ran after his 1:41.73 was 1:43.07. He never sniffed his greatness again, unlike Amos. Even David Rudisha (KEN) was unable to sub-1:42 after his 1:40.91 WR as he got down to 1:42.15 and not as fast as Amos.

Learn a little bit about sport before spouting ignorance.

Once Coe broke the 800 world record he focused on the 1500. He could have run more fast times in the 800 if that was his primary aim. Nijel Amos on the other hand is an 800 specialist and has been very inconsistent.

And Amos focused on life. Your point?

Hardloper wrote:

Once Coe broke the 800 world record he focused on the 1500. He could have run more fast times in the 800 if that was his primary aim. Nijel Amos on the other hand is an 800 specialist and has been very inconsistent.

On PED's (he was involved with Aden at the time) or much, much older than 18 (try 21-22).

Or most likely both.

Burgin is considerably more talented - he's now in the Ovett category of elite, elite true junior talent.

troller n chief wrote:

Big whoop, Amos ran 1:41.7 at 18 years of age.

Sure he did.

I guess you provided some perspective on this. It’s a great time for his age and we’ll see what happens from here on out. Let’s not start making crazy predictions though. Let’s watch and wait.

Sapel wrote:

Hey, ukathleticscoach, why do you dismiss that Amos ran 1:41.89 in 2019? He basically ran his PR seven years (7) after his 1:41.73 in 2012, which is a damn testament to his hard work and ethic and professionalism.

The closest that, for example, Seb Coe (GBR) ran after his 1:41.73 was 1:43.07. He never sniffed his greatness again, unlike Amos. Even David Rudisha (KEN) was unable to sub-1:42 after his 1:40.91 WR as he got down to 1:42.15 and not as fast as Amos.

Learn a little bit about sport before spouting ignorance.

The point is Amos was not 18 when he ran 1:41in 2012. Nobody peaks at 18. If they do they are badly trained. Coe was 24 when he set his WR. Rudisha was a similar age.

If all goes well Burgin has several more years to reach his peak.

About 2 seconds behind Kaki at 18. Cool.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Sapel wrote:

Hey, ukathleticscoach, why do you dismiss that Amos ran 1:41.89 in 2019? He basically ran his PR seven years (7) after his 1:41.73 in 2012, which is a damn testament to his hard work and ethic and professionalism.

The closest that, for example, Seb Coe (GBR) ran after his 1:41.73 was 1:43.07. He never sniffed his greatness again, unlike Amos. Even David Rudisha (KEN) was unable to sub-1:42 after his 1:40.91 WR as he got down to 1:42.15 and not as fast as Amos.

Learn a little bit about sport before spouting ignorance.

The point is Amos was not 18 when he ran 1:41in 2012. Nobody peaks at 18. If they do they are badly trained. Coe was 24 when he set his WR. Rudisha was a similar age.

If all goes well Burgin has several more years to reach his peak.

Furthermore Amos has won one Olympic Silver at 800m compared to Coes 2 plus 2 golds. Amos conversion from 400m is also far inferior probably because he can barely run in a straight line.

Excellent run. Looks like a 1500m prospect, rather than 800m star to me. Took down Sharpes’ record, who was similarly talented but didn’t come close to capitalizing on his awesome talent.

You can’t compare Brazzier at 18 who was likely coached by a high school coach running in all high school meets to Burgin who has a knowledge club coach and the benefit of paced race in British Milers meets against adults.

1500 m man wrote:

Excellent run. Looks like a 1500m prospect, rather than 800m star to me. Took down Sharpes’ record, who was similarly talented but didn’t come close to capitalizing on his awesome talent.

You can’t compare Brazzier at 18 who was likely coached by a high school coach running in all high school meets to Burgin who has a knowledge club coach and the benefit of paced race in British Milers meets against adults.

He was on his own when the pacemaker dropped out at the bell. The guy who came second (George Mills) is only 20 and missed 2 years with serious injury at 16.

What would a Max Burgin talent be running at 22 if he spent 2 years at NOP?

However, you might be right in that his father (who is his coach) apparently has stated that Max has even more talent at 1500m.

Yeah, like I said, paced races against adults in British Milers Club elite races. A far cry from a US high school meet.

Super talented runner though. Could be the next Steve Ovett or the next Dave Sharpe, who was good but should have been better given the talent he had. Never a given in athletes.