Rebulphitudinal wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
There is a pretty simple solution to this mess. If you want to participate in an event like this, you have to volunteer for a vaccine study.
But we would have to apply that requirement to BLM-type messes, as well. And I don't think pro-BLMers would be willing to accept that.
Let Gates and Fauci and their families participate in these studies
Hey Unkle, please feel free to hop on your hog and get to that rally. And congregate, congregate, congregate with all of the attendees. Maybe COVID will kill you, but hey, maybe not. Idiot.
The Unkle wrote:
Rebulphitudinal wrote:
But we would have to apply that requirement to BLM-type messes, as well. And I don't think pro-BLMers would be willing to accept that.
Let Gates and Fauci and their families participate in these studies
baa baa wool wrote:
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Well considering half of the deaths are nursing home those people Covid is generally reducing life expectancy from a few months to not at all. You're assuming everyone else who dies has on average 20 years which is false, most are very sick people. ////
Well yeah if you make up numbers you can arrive at whatever result you want.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.08.20050559v2
As someone who takes this pandemic seriously , I have to tell you that Primo Numero Uno is closer to the mark than you think.
Even the authors of that study admit that the YLL's (years life lost) does not take into account the specific co-morbidities and actual life expectancy of each death but is based on pure age actuarial figures. They promise to fix that as more data comes to hand, in the September study.
In Australia, with good health care, where nursing home admission is a last resort, the stats are as follows:
Covid Deaths
In Aged Care/Nursing homes: 199 out of 266 , 75%
Deaths by age: >80 yr 170 out of 266, 64%
Nursing Home Stats:
Average entry age: 82 yr (M), 84.5 yr (W), with 83% of new residents requiring high level care.
All deaths %: 91% die in nursing home, 9% presumably die back at home/with family
Average life expectancy: (actually length of stay): 2,1 yrs (M), 3.2 yrs (F)
Deaths in first nine months of residence: 40%
You can draw your own conclusions, but almost all the deaths over 80 yo (which itself represents 64% of Covid deaths) are occurring in nursing homes where 40% were going to be gone in 9 months and YLL less than 2.5 yrs, if not closer to 1 yr.
You can expand to include 70-79 yo which comprise a further 66 of the 266 (25 %) which takes the >70 yo total to 236 out of 266 or 89%
BTW, forgot to add the following to above post:
Number infected:
Total : 20,272
>80 yo, 1, 291 out of 20,272, or 6.3%, vs deaths 170 out of 266, 64%, IFR of 13%
> 70 yo, 2,531 out of 20,272 , or 12% vs deaths 236 out of 266, 89% , IFR of 9%
Thank you for the analysis. Everyone needs to realize the debate in how much on average Covid will shorten your life expectancy is between 1 week to a few weeks. This absolutely has to be factored against the negative impacts due to the measures being taken. There has been loss of life due to people not seeking medical care, increases in suicide & drug/alchohol abuse amongst others. Not to mention people are on edge. There are a horde of other negative consequences. But even if the average loss in life expectancy is 3 weeks we're not doing a great job of stopping the spread so is it worth going through this. Too me that is an easy no. All were doing is inflicting a lot of pain to delay the inevitable.
Also, in Australia at least, the cohort of nursing home residents have an average of 8 underlying medical conditions.
First world health's focus (driven by pharma research) has been to increase life expectancy by managing previously dangerous conditions such as diabetes, blood pressure, cholesterol etc with a simple tablet, metformin, statins etc
More older people are now entering nursing homes (entry age up by 3 to 5 years in 20 yrs), carrying these lifestyle conditions that would have previously ended their life earlier.
High blood pressure, and the medications controlling it, are strongly linked with severity of Covid19 (due to ACE II receptors etc)
old news wrote:
CancelLRC wrote:
Great news! Hopefully all of the attendees will contract COVID and drop dead.
You do realize they have a greater chance of dying in a motorcycle crash than or Covid. Or are you so dillusional to think of you go out you will die of covid?
People are missing the point. It's fine to attend the rally but what's NOT fine is these riders will come back home and infect others. SMH...
You liberals hate the Sturgis Freedom Rally because it puts your silly little BLM "protests" to shame.
Sturgis 2020 may be the biggest show of man's fight and desire for J. Christ-given freedom in the history of Western Civil/Amer.
under a bridge wrote:
No, you couldn’t make a solid argument that “they have a greater chance of dying in a motorcycle crash than or COVID”. The stats don’t back that up.
I read this that 'once you are actually in a motorcycle crash i.e falling off the bike, hitting a car, bouncing down the road etc' then you have a greater chance of dieing than from COVID.
seems reasonable, otherwise - nah.
This biker event in rural South Dakota will hasten the spread of Covid 19 throughout the cities and towns where the bikers are from. As there will be very little mask wearing, lots of people congregating in close contacts with others, and a plethora of people there over 50, you can count on many people contracting this virus. They will then return to their homes and infect others.
Sturgis incubator wrote:
This biker event in rural South Dakota will hasten the spread of Covid 19 throughout the cities and towns where the bikers are from. As there will be very little mask wearing, lots of people congregating in close contacts with others, and a plethora of people there over 50, you can count on many people contracting this virus. They will then return to their homes and infect others.
Yep, that's similar to what I posted earlier.
If you must go to Sturgis, stay there. Or, come home and quarantine for 2 weeks.
Hey ding dongs ...probably 95% of the Sturgis crowd has AT LEAST 3-4 co-morbidities
Rebulphitudinal wrote:
Sturgis 2020 may be the biggest show of man's fight and desire for J. Christ-given freedom in the history of Western Civil/Amer.
Interesting how you think Jesus would support a motorcycle party over the health of society.
Sturgis the main spread of COVID and HIV.
Primo Numero Uno wrote:
Everyone needs to realize the debate in how much on average Covid will shorten your life expectancy is between 1 week to a few weeks.
Are you really socializing “life lost”?
And you’re really proud of your math behind it...
Disgusting.
CornoBros have shifted from "flattening the curve" meaning we all know the virus will spread and infect large numbers of people, we just want those infections spread out to WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING UNTIL THERE'S CURE!!!
You can make people wear a mask, cancel school, put cities on lock down (unless they want to hold a left wing protest/rally) but all you are doing is delaying the inevitable spread.
The virus is going to run it's course, more than likely it will play out before there is an effective vaccine.
Accept the inevitable.
ShiftingGoalPosts wrote:
Accept the inevitable.
You could be a motivation speaker.
tycobb wrote:
Rebulphitudinal wrote:
Sturgis 2020 may be the biggest show of man's fight and desire for J. Christ-given freedom in the history of Western Civil/Amer.
Interesting how you think Jesus would support a motorcycle party over the health of society.
Says the guy named after baseball's most famous racist. Are you actually denying that J. Christ was pro-freedom?
"The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.”
- John 8:34-36 (Moab Ver. II) -
CovvidObserver wrote:
Ruh-roh
https://nypost.com/2020/08/09/sioux-nation-to-block-bikers-headed-to-sturgis-rally/
So, did this happen, or was it just virtue signalling nonsense?