Chris Derrick, 3.51-1500, the end of the road, or not?

I think you're "world class" if you make a WC or Olympic 5k final or at least compete for top finishes in international races. Yes his PR's are great and he made a team I believe. 13:08, 27:30 and 2:12 (9th in Chicago) are competitive times but he's not running those with any consistency.

Chris Derrick wrote:

Chris Derrick is WAY too smart to be spending his life running in circles. I would have expected him to be moving on by now.

Says someone spending time on here.

asfad wrote:

I think you're "world class" if you make a WC or Olympic 5k final or at least compete for top finishes in international races. Yes his PR's are great and he made a team I believe. 13:08, 27:30 and 2:12 (9th in Chicago) are competitive times but he's not running those with any consistency.

Oh come on. You are world class if you make the WC or Olympics.

Ghost1 wrote:

For a guy who has ran 1308 for 5000 and 2731 for 10,000 in addition to 7.43, that was a disappointing time under any circumstances.

run, ran, HAS RUN

CD will be back . Guy just needs his day. I could see a 2;10 or under if the cards fall right... he's in a rough patch the last few years... and if I recall, MEB had a number of rough years in his early 30s and wound up being America's greatest marathoner and PRing/winning two majors later in his career.

I estimate he ran 3:50-51 1500m pace for 1800m in Moh's race. The 2:12 shows he's not done at that distance. 7:56 is not bad either. Maybe he can get back there. The 13:08 5000m right out of college indicated he could be a great one. Injuries have cut down a lot of potential greats, German being another example.

Chris speaks for himself in this recent interview:

https://www.heelstriker954.com/chrisderrick

All-in on trying to make the 10k team for Tokyo next year . . .

Interesting in this interview Chris admitted that his speed is really very very poor and that when the girls on the team at Stanford were working out he would’ve been challenged to beat them in the speed department referring to the 400 m flat speed. With that in mind, I think Chris and his best was around 56 or 57 seconds for 400 m tops which makes it all the more remarkable that he ran 339 for 1500 m because that is very close to the same speed.Basically he’s a diesel engine. I wish him luck for the future and his objective to run the marathon at the next Olympics, whenever that may take place, and I hope you can get back to his previous form even though I am thinking that will be a challenge.

2009 Season (Freshman): Set the American Junior Record in the 5,000 meters with a time of 13:29.98 at the Payton Jordan Cardinal Invitational ... placed third at the NCAA Outdoor Championships in the 5,000 with a time of 14:07.34 to earn the fourth and final All-America honor of his freshman season ... also an All-American twice indoors after placing fourth in the 5,000 and fifth in the 3,000 meters at the NCAA Indoor Championships ... his time of 7:56.31 in the 3,000 also set an American Junior Record ... placed third in the both the 5,000 and the 10,000 meters at the Pac-10 Championships to score 12 team points for Stanford ... runner-up in the 3,000 at the MPSF Indoor Championships ... his 13:29.98 in the 5,000 meters is the Stanford freshman record and ranks sixth all-time in the event for the Cardinal.

International Competition: Placed 15th at the 2009 Junior World Cross Country Championships in Amman, Jordan, covering the 8,000-meter course in 24:20 ... placed second at the 2009 USA Junior Cross Country Championships with an 8,000-meter time of 23:29.

High School: Ran 13:55.96 for 5,000 meters, the fastest time ever in an all-high school race ... as a junior ran 8:54.64 in the 3,200 meters - one of the fastest times ever by a high school junior ... as a senior improved his 3,200-meter time to 8:48.90 ... the 2007 Gatorade National Boys Cross Country Runner of the Year ... led Neuqua Valley to a national team championship with his first-place finish at the 2007 Nike Team Nationals ... finished second at the Foot Locker Cross Country Championships.

Cardinal Catalogue: An economics major with an interest in law ... parents are Richard and Janet Derrick ... 2009 and 2010 USTFCCCA Academic All-American for track and field ... first team Pac-10 All-Academic for cross country in 2009 and 2010 and for track and field in 2010.

He’s slower now than he was as a freshman at Stanford. His major was economics. He may go to law school as a mature student. We wish him luck. He’s a good guy.

Why the above flashback to his career?

The point made is that even though he is only 30 which is not that old for distance running, he was so good as a freshman at a much younger age that in terms of mileage for his legs he is now feeling it and it may be a real challenge for him to get back to his previous level, 1320 and 2740. However, I hope to be proved wrong.

I think CD could make a very good coach, even though he’s not the type of rah, rah, rah guy. Quiet and introverted demeanor do not necessarily preclude one from becoming a good coach and there have been others. Salazar comes to mind.

Didn't Osako run 3:50 at one of the big friendly meets? If COVID wasn't a thing, Derrick wouldn't exactly be on the track for 1500s. He'd be at Bix, Boilermaker, Falmouth, B2B, etc. Well, thanks to Jerry, he'd maybe do one of those.

Maybe Derrick is on his way out but he's a marathoner now, right? Osako ran 2:05 not so long ago. You're not gonna be 1500 sharp off of marathon build-ups. & I'm not saying he's ever gonna be a super fast marathoner. I'm just saying I'm not worried about his 1500 time at this stage in his career.

I hope he gets healthy and drops a sub-2:10 at a major marathon before he hangs them up.

NERunner053 wrote:

Didn't Osako run 3:50 at one of the big friendly meets? If COVID wasn't a thing, Derrick wouldn't exactly be on the track for 1500s. He'd be at Bix, Boilermaker, Falmouth, B2B, etc. Well, thanks to Jerry, he'd maybe do one of those.

Maybe Derrick is on his way out but he's a marathoner now, right? Osako ran 2:05 not so long ago. You're not gonna be 1500 sharp off of marathon build-ups. & I'm not saying he's ever gonna be a super fast marathoner. I'm just saying I'm not worried about his 1500 time at this stage in his career.

I hope he gets healthy and drops a sub-2:10 at a major marathon before he hangs them up.

You were right about the 1500 m time but still I felt that 351 was a disappointment. I was hoping to see him run in the low 340s range up to 345. Cd has never been a speed merchant. We have seen other top marathoners like Yuki Kawauchi of Japan jump into a 1500 m when he was at his best and he was only able to manage around the same time as Derek, that is 351 to 355. Did not stop him from running a 208 very soon after.

On paper, with all his credentials, CD should not have a major problem in running under 210 but everything has to go right for him.

Ghost1 wrote:

Interesting in this interview Chris admitted that his speed is really very very poor and that when the girls on the team at Stanford were working out he would’ve been challenged to beat them in the speed department referring to the 400 m flat speed. With that in mind, I think Chris and his best was around 56 or 57 seconds for 400 m tops which makes it all the more remarkable that he ran 339 for 1500 m because that is very close to the same speed.Basically he’s a diesel engine. I wish him luck for the future and his objective to run the marathon at the next Olympics, whenever that may take place, and I hope you can get back to his previous form even though I am thinking that will be a challenge.

People can't run 1500 meters at their 400 PR speed. You never ran track if you believe that's possible.

GOAT TRAINING wrote:

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This is the training CD should be doing.

Quotes:

“We don’t run very fast. 2:40-2:50 1k”

“We do 10xmile 68, 70 pace”

“Say you have an athlete targeting 2:03, we make a training programme for them. We also have training for 2:09-2:10 athletes to keep them motivated”

“I didn’t think I could do these workouts 2 years ago”

“We start our long runs 4:00 pace, it’s still dark out, you think am I dreaming”

“We do long runs 40k, 42k”

“30k long run is more speed”

“The marathon is about mileage, lots of athletes have speed but they don’t prepare”

There were previous quotes from teammates at Stanford and from Chris himself stating that in a flat out 400 he could do a little better than 56 or 57 seconds. One can imagine that when he ran 339 he would’ve been a little bit faster but not much. One can surmise from this that at his best Chris would’ve not been faster than 5455 seconds for 400 m in a flat out situation. On another note, people like no Farah admitted that in a 5000 and 10,000 m race they are able to run the last lap very close to their best time for 400 m so for Farah that would be around 50 seconds probably.One can surmise from this that is best Chris would’ve not been faster than 5455 seconds for 400 m in a flat out situation. On another note, people like no Farah admitted that in a 5000 and 10,000 m race they are able to run the last lap very close to their best time for 400 m so for Farah that would be around 50 seconds probably. Examples are bound including people like Steve Cran not faster than 48 seconds for 400 m who ran 1500 m with basic 400 m speed far slower than many of his rivals. Another example is Francesco Panetta famous Italian athlete of the early 80s. He was quoted as saying that he could finish race in the last 400 m faster than his best time.

Another example of low speed over 400 m was David Bedford former world record holder in the 10,000 m with 2730.8 which is almost an identical time to CDs best. Bedford stated many times that he was useless in basic speed and normal club athletes would be able to beat him in a 400 m flying start In training.

All this is not logical from normal physiology but guys like Bedford and cd are exceptions which proves the rule. Bernie Ford another great runner from the late 70s in the UK was another guy little one basic speed for 400 m with the state and best of approximately 56 seconds only flat out. It did not prevent him from running 1326, 2743 and 210. Bernie Ford another great runner from the late 70s in the UK was another guy poor basic speed for 400 m with a best of approximately 56 seconds only flat out. It did not prevent him from running 1326, 2743 and 210. Karel Lismont from Belgium was another guy with similar lack of speed - double Olympic medalist in the marathon and European champion 1971. Many cases similar.

Sorry for the typos and double lines above common occurrence when you use an iPad with voice recognition which have flaws quite frequently.

Whenever I hear the name Chris Derrick, I will always think of his 10th place at the 2013 World Cross and the US team silver medal. Not too shabby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MciL4L1vB0k

“This image always makes me think about how you have to control what you can control and not worry about what you can’t control.

And in some sense, that applies to the results of the race where, you know, I felt like I raced well that day, given what I had in the tank, but I didn’t have that much in the tank. You know not because I hadn’t been training hard I had been training as hard ever trained.

But, you know, I’ve had these injuries that kind of prevented me from being at the fitness I need to be at to contend for the team. And I feel like I did the most that I could with that day. But it also, you know, I think about controlling what you can control because you can’t control people’s perceptions of you. You know this, I felt like going into the mixed zone, I was trying to. I was trying to be positive.

I was trying to put on a brave face as you well, or just express that, you know, I wasn’t ashamed of how I ran. And, you know, trying not to be self pity. And I thought that I did that. But look at the picture. Capture one moment, one stride. Looks like I’m pretty despondent, sort of like ignoring the people that I’m walking past. You know, you might get the impression I was one of those athletes that stormed out of the mixed zone instead of giving interviews.

So, yeah, you know, you can’t you can only control how you behave and you can’t control how other people perceive you, how the people will represent you. And if you if that’s what you care about, how you proceed and represented. I think you’re going to be in for a bad time of things. But, you know, one positive that came out of that day after that, you know, right after this picture was taken is.

Shalane Flanagan and Amy Craig you know, they waited for me and, you know, they you know, after I came out the mix and they told me, you know, they’re proud of me and they’re proud of how I ran. They thought I was really tough. And I guess, you know, I guess I’m kind of betraying my being a little hypocritical here because. Shouldn’t care at people, think about you. But it did mean a lot to me to hear it from those two women who I greatly admire as teammates and athletes and people I would like to be more like.

So I suppose maybe the lesson isn’t to not care at all what anyone thinks of you, but to maybe reserve that those thoughts for people close to you, people you admire who know you best to try to avoid the eye of the public, I guess, or at least try to avoid carrying what the public thinks about you. My take away from the picture.