Next BTC race tuesday night

Great to see Fisher run 3:36

I remember him in high school having an explosive kick. Maybe some of that had to do with his soccer training and short explosive bursts needed to play soccer well.

In college I remember reading where his coach didn’t want to do much speed work with him and that would come more when he went pro.

Maybe he will get back to emphasizing the shorter distances. With 3km becoming more of an event going forward, Fisher will be prime for that distance if he works on his 1500

soccer track guy wrote:

Great to see Fisher run 3:36

I remember him in high school having an explosive kick. Maybe some of that had to do with his soccer training and short explosive bursts needed to play soccer well.

In college I remember reading where his coach didn’t want to do much speed work with him and that would come more when he went pro.

Maybe he will get back to emphasizing the shorter distances. With 3km becoming more of an event going forward, Fisher will be prime for that distance if he works on his 1500

I agree. With 13:11 and 3:36, Fisher and McGorty are the best young talents in USA track currently.

Anyone have splits from the 4x4, or ideally a video that's not paywalled?

Splitz wrote:

Anyone have splits from the 4x4, or ideally a video that's not paywalled?

Wait a bit. Last time the video was posted to youtube by BTC within 24 hours (by early afternoon the next day, iirc).

soccer track guy wrote:

Great to see Fisher run 3:36

I remember him in high school having an explosive kick. Maybe some of that had to do with his soccer training and short explosive bursts needed to play soccer well.

In college I remember reading where his coach didn’t want to do much speed work with him and that would come more when he went pro.

Maybe he will get back to emphasizing the shorter distances. With 3km becoming more of an event going forward, Fisher will be prime for that distance if he works on his 1500

He had plenty of speed in college. I'm sure they worked on it.

Amory wrote:

soccer track guy wrote:

Great to see Fisher run 3:36

I remember him in high school having an explosive kick. Maybe some of that had to do with his soccer training and short explosive bursts needed to play soccer well.

In college I remember reading where his coach didn’t want to do much speed work with him and that would come more when he went pro.

Maybe he will get back to emphasizing the shorter distances. With 3km becoming more of an event going forward, Fisher will be prime for that distance if he works on his 1500

I agree. With 13:11 and 3:36, Fisher and McGorty are the best young talents in USA track currently.

Hunter is still up there in my book.

birdbeard wrote:

Amory wrote:

I agree. With 13:11 and 3:36, Fisher and McGorty are the best young talents in USA track currently.

Hunter is still up there in my book.

I'm just not sure how much farther he can really progress...Fisher now essentially has the same 1500 PR (roughly), and 10s faster 5k, and is training with a group with even faster PRs.

I don't really see anyone at Tinman being able to push/drag Drew to greater heights. And don't forget Hunter has been training as a pro for 4 years now

Amory wrote:

birdbeard wrote:

Hunter is still up there in my book.

I'm just not sure how much farther he can really progress...Fisher now essentially has the same 1500 PR (roughly), and 10s faster 5k, and is training with a group with even faster PRs.

I don't really see anyone at Tinman being able to push/drag Drew to greater heights. And don't forget Hunter has been training as a pro for 4 years now

Eh, I think it's too early to say that. Hunter was 5th at USAs last year. Won the 2-mile indoors. He has clearly been focused on competing over time for the most part. I don't doubt he could be in the 13:10s somewhere.

I do think he will be limited by Tinman's training to some extent and I think Jerry is the far superior coach. But Drew has more talent than McGorty and Fisher.

birdbeard wrote:

Amory wrote:

I'm just not sure how much farther he can really progress...Fisher now essentially has the same 1500 PR (roughly), and 10s faster 5k, and is training with a group with even faster PRs.

I don't really see anyone at Tinman being able to push/drag Drew to greater heights. And don't forget Hunter has been training as a pro for 4 years now

Eh, I think it's too early to say that. Hunter was 5th at USAs last year. Won the 2-mile indoors. He has clearly been focused on competing over time for the most part. I don't doubt he could be in the 13:10s somewhere.

I do think he will be limited by Tinman's training to some extent and I think Jerry is the far superior coach. But Drew has more talent than McGorty and Fisher.

I think it's obvious Hunter developed earlier, but not that he has more talent. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking that those who develop at a younger age indicates a higher talent level.

Moh Ahmed obviously has more talent than Hunter, yet most people wouldn't have thought so until the last year or two.

zdf wrote:

Splitz wrote:

Anyone have splits from the 4x4, or ideally a video that's not paywalled?

Wait a bit. Last time the video was posted to youtube by BTC within 24 hours (by early afternoon the next day, iirc).

Available to watch in full at 3pm ET.

Splitz wrote:

Anyone have splits from the 4x4

Can't post a link, but Quigley posted splits in her IG story. Best were McGorty 49.06 and Houlihan 55.51

Might have a point with McGorty, I don't know his background. Fisher's training was developed just as early as Drew, though. Mo is 29. We have no idea where these guys will be at this point so who knows on that, and who knows why it took him so long to realize his potential. I think that's an outlier.

I think if you put Hunter in a perfect TT like what BTC did, he's right there or maybe better than McGorty and Fisher. He may be somewhat limited by worse coaching and a less elite training group, although Klecker may be joining Tinman (?). Who knows.

Hunter: 3:35/7:39/13:21 -- 5th at USAs Outdoors in 5000, USA 2-Mile Indoor Champ

McGorty: 3:36/7:46/13:11 -- 3000/5000 times more recent than Drew's and paced conditions

Fisher: 3:36/7:39i/13:11 -- 3000/5000 times more recent than Drew's and paced conditions

Head to head --

2019

Hunter (3.38.55) def. McGorty (3:38.75) in the 1500 at the USATF Distance Classic

Hunter (8:25.29, 1st) def. McGorty (8:33.41, 4th) in the USATF Indoor Championships 2-Mile

2018

Hunter (3:39.49) def. McGorty (3:40.57) in the 1500 at the Stanford Invitational

Hunter (6th) def. McGorty (11th) at the USA Championships 1500

I can't find a race in the last 3 years that Fisher/Hunter raced in. But I can't find a time McGorty has ever beaten Drew.

That is a very interesting time analysis.

All three of these guys are very close PR wise.

This year though, the BTC guys have shown they are superior to Hunter.

Say what you want about TT’s, I think they are harder to get up for Mentally then races and therefore don’t provide the same fast time potential as a well paced race in front of fans.

I think McGorty could be the next great steeplechase runner in the US. He is tall, young, can train with the best ever in Jager and learn from him. Clearly the BTC group has outstanding women and men steeplers and a coach that knows his stuff.

That mixed 4x4 looked awesome from a entertainment standpoint. I didn't watch live but watched the race now that it is free and I thought that was a great idea for letting them all just kind of run fast and compete with each other.

For all the grief BTC has gotten in the past about not racing they are doing a great job making the best of this situation. I know people will complain they are glorified time trials but it makes sense to me. I'd imagine they are probably being smart about social distancing and they have plenty of competition within their team. Why take a risk with another group that might not be as diligent with their precautions?

Nope, TSEGAY's PR was slower than Houlihan's before the World Championships, although only by a few hundredths of a second. She handily outran Houlihan in the stretch though -- something I've rarely seen.

This meet was a blast to watch, and I like how they actually rush to get it posted to youtube within a day. Much appreciated! If only letsrun would do a spoilers warning in their article headlines so we could watch it 'fresh'....

That 4x4 was a blast to watch. Always love the 4x4 ending high school track meets. Hoping one of the psychos here post all the 4x4 splits.

Watching the guys run here, i come out more impressed with my best runner last year winning the 3200 with a PR and then hitting a 51.6 hand split 30 minutes later.

just something magical about high school track where the best 100m guys all the way up to the best milers are all take part in the 4x4. The guy i came up under always said the 4x4 was the heart and soul of the track team. yup

michiganrunner50 wrote:

Fisher ran 44.22

Making up crap is fun! 50.x at best