RegionalAtBest wrote:
The whole thing reminded me of the Barry Bonds /Mark McGwire situation in baseball. Completely unbelievable from the start, but unchecked by the league.
Don't forget Sammy Sooser!!
https://youtu.be/AggeSjZwx6sRegionalAtBest wrote:
The whole thing reminded me of the Barry Bonds /Mark McGwire situation in baseball. Completely unbelievable from the start, but unchecked by the league.
Don't forget Sammy Sooser!!
https://youtu.be/AggeSjZwx6sCoyote Montane wrote:
YMMV wrote:
I tend to agree, but it also really looks like both Kevin and Eddy H, and definitely some foreign (*cough* Russian*cough*) runners on the road circuit in years past were after the cash as well. I never won any $ as a master ( a few medals and prizes) but I would be i favor of ending prize money.
Sorry about the glitch above. too bad this place doesn't have an edit function.
Elite masters in the 40-45 age group, sometimes a few years past that, can make some okay money on the road circuit, enough to make a living if they race and win a lot. Get older than 45-50 and only USATF offers some money at championships, on a good day it's enough to pay for your trip, or maybe part of it. So it's not a lot of money.
Agreed with Coyote. There are very few masters runners, if any, who are doing this for the money. Almost all of the top masters runners in America are regular people, with regular jobs, with decent salaries (or retirement incomes), who would show up to the same races whether they offered prize money or not. Sure the occasional money makes for a nice perk, and sometimes offsets a portion - or in a rare best case, all - of the expenses to get to a race. But nobody is making more than pocket change, relatively speaking, from these races.
I got an interesting email from the USATF MLDR, I'm sure many on here have seen it:
I don't like doping and cheating yet I know there's not much to effectively be done by the athletes, as has been pointed out already on this thread. Look at how senior athletes get screwed by dopers and Usada/Wada's lax policing; no end of outcry has led to little improvement in preventing doping. At any rate, I feel that the biggest shame and tip-off of Castille's shenanigans was that he never built anything beyond his own performances. He didn't give back and attract a group of LA (or TN) runners around him to train and compete as a team, his was a largely (if not exclusively) self-centered endeavor. There might be some headaches in the organizing and politics, yet my most meaningful experience as a post-collegiate runner has been to travel with a local team to compete. Anything else I've managed (1st marathon, marathon PR, etc.) doesn't come close to the enjoyment and satisfaction I had in the company of kindred spirits, to notably include Coyote Montane. So maybe team-only prize money is a better allocation by USATF?
Team only money sounds like a good solution. Also, kudos for your handle.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If you claim "drugs!" about every single high-performing racer, you're bound to be right once in a while.
socalcush wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Yeah, don’t speak your mind and start a rational discussion, even if there is ample evidence and you are articulate.
/sarc
the problem is, "ample evidence" means something different to different people. until dudes like castille are caught, i don't think there was ample evidence, just suspicions and speculation.
I was speaking in a general sense, not with reference to your knowledge of Castille specifically.
Bear in mind that there are those who know more about him than do you. Users always leave tracks, and there is always evidence.
Charlie wrote:
If some old roid raging geezer comes flying by ya just turn is arse in:
https://ufc.usada.org/resources/playclean/2019 stats for play clean:
533 calls produced 70 targeted tests resulting in 4 violations and 3 sanctions
In other words, USADA only followed up on 13% of tips. Granted, there might have been multiple calls about the same athlete, but, still, I feel like that number should be way higher. ?
Related to the USATF email, wonder why they have the RD distribute the prize money since I assume this is USATF funds?
Hi EvanJ, I agree.
I'd like to see more testing--with those at record-setting levels getting random as well as in-competition testing. And more testing at races. Big money/mega events like Boston, NYC, Chicago need to test masters podium finishers. Might be hard for all age groups, but at least the money earners, and if someone sets a national record get the testers on it as soon as they can like within a few days after the event, if not day of.
USATF sent out a questionnaire last year and it had a section on prize money, and I agree that more should go to the teams to promote the team aspect. Go at least 3 deep (instead of 2) for road championships and 5 or 6 deep for Club XC.
Would also like to see lifetime ban for PEDs like steroids and EPO.
New article here with quotes from Castille.
As much as I think doping completely ruins this sport, I also can see the perspective of Castille, who likely struggled getting work after being in prison. I'm not defending him -- he (very likely) made the choice to dope, and now he's living with the consequences. Had he taken a different route, such as taking a low-paying job and competing while clean, he'd be much better off now. Hopefully that's the path he chooses moving forward.
But if your two choices are doing something like throwing packages around for Amazon at a low hourly rate vs. racing for prize money, it's not difficult to understand why someone would play with fire to gamble on the latter option. I think a lot of people would have made the same decisions when put in a similar situation.
Anyway, I do hope he returns to the roads after completing the suspension, competing as a clean athlete. This community should be a place where everyone is welcome -- past mistakes and all.
runharwell wrote:
Anyway, I do hope he returns to the roads after completing the suspension, competing as a clean athlete. This community should be a place where everyone is welcome -- past mistakes and all.
If we wants to be welcomed back by the running community after he's served his suspension, he could start by dropping the b.s. story about not knowing how the steroids ended up in his body, and come clean, confess, lay out the whole story, and ask for forgiveness by those he cheated. And of course pay back all his ill-gotten prize money to the people who truly deserved it.
Rambling Curiosity wrote:
Related to the USATF email, wonder why they have the RD distribute the prize money since I assume this is USATF funds?
Masters Championship prize money is provided by the event.
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