the excuse police wrote:
stop making excuses for these criminals.
You want to avoid confrontations with the police, stop committing crimes.
If you can't stop committing crimes for some reason? stop resisting arrest once you commit the crime. Didn't this last guy learn anything from the previous guy two weeks ago?
stop with the excuses.
What did George Floyd do to warrant his death?
Tameer Rice?
Eric Garner?
They are dead!
In the meant ime, Daylan Roof and Cruz (Stoneman Douglas school ) are alive.
Why do people use such warped logic?
Bradyc wrote:
The story said that the guy had the taser and turned toward the officer what do you suggest the officer do, get tased and let the guy then take his gun, if you did nothing wrong then don't run, don't give me the crap that they would have killed the guy even if he did not run. So maybe we just let everyone do what they want so their feelings don't get hurt, let's see how that works
Yeah,
He should have complied like George Floyd.
Sleeping in a drive through is not a capital offense.
Resisting arrest is not a capital offense.
Stealing a police officer's taser is not a capital offense.
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Agreed .
But trying to tase a cop can be a deadly offense.
You left that out.
So are you saying the cops should not chase anyone who runs from them?
If he was in my driveway the cops would have said it's a civil problem and I needed to do a citizens arrest and take the guy to court myself. But at Wendy's it's war.
The cop has to weigh his options in the moment. Drunk guy, identified by his vehicle and license, clearly inebriated based on the field sobriety test, and not in the process of a violent felony. Yes, he stole the cop's taser which makes him more dangerous in the moment but, based on what I have seen reported, this did not warrant a shooting. As someone posted up thread, they could have arrested him later.
As for chasing, it does depend on the situation. IMHO, this case did not justify the pursuit and shots fired. Police always seem to have the good sense to back off a car chase if it appears to put innocents in mortal danger. Why are foot chases treated differently? Adrenaline? Fear? Embarrassment or disciplinary action if he escapes with your weapon?
I don't think that we can label this one hate or racism based on the evidence presented but, it begs questions about police training and temperament.
Bradyc wrote:
The story said that the guy had the taser and turned toward the officer what do you suggest the officer do, get tased and let the guy then take his gun, if you did nothing wrong then don't run, don't give me the crap that they would have killed the guy even if he did not run. So maybe we just let everyone do what they want so their feelings don't get hurt, let's see how that works
The guy had already turned to run away and the cop shot him. There's no reasonable explanation for that.
As much as there is a problem with racism in this country there is a major problem with policing in this country.
Ronald Dump wrote:
Bradyc wrote:
The story said that the guy had the taser and turned toward the officer what do you suggest the officer do, get tased and let the guy then take his gun, if you did nothing wrong then don't run, don't give me the crap that they would have killed the guy even if he did not run. So maybe we just let everyone do what they want so their feelings don't get hurt, let's see how that works
The guy had already turned to run away and the cop shot him. There's no reasonable explanation for that.
As much as there is a problem with racism in this country there is a major problem with policing in this country.
Cop ran after him, decided he had to die for stealing the taser despite running away with it.
This is the problem. Cops close the distance and physically engage (aka attack) inebriated, mentally ill, and distressed people, then kill them when their reaction is not immediate surrender. That's because for cops, them being in control is more important than the law or ethical actions.
j day n hg wrote:
the excuse police wrote:
Didn't this last guy learn anything from the previous guy two weeks ago?.
You’ve got a point there. We’ve all seen about 100 incidents of excessive force the last two weeks. This guy should have known they would kill him. Maybe that’s even why he ran away ?♂️
It looks like cops didn't learn anything either. You would that in this highly charged environment they would do everything possible to avoid killing a black man while trying to arrest him.
At some point after failing the sobriety test and realizing he's going to jail for DUI, he struggles when being put into the police car, grabs the officers taser, and takes off on foot. The officer chases him, and from what I have heard, surveillance video shows that the suspect stops, turns, and points the taser at the officer, at which point he opens fire.
If these details prove to be untrue, then yeah we have ampolice brutality issue on our hands. But if they are accurate, then what was the officer supposed to do? Get tasered and incapacitated? Let the suspect run off with his weapon?
The officer shot him while he was running away. But did he need to shot to kill? Couldn't he shoot him the the leg or buttox? It sure looks like he is trying kill him in the video.
The Wendy's just went up in flames.
Do not allow white officers to respond to incidents involving black suspects. Only allow non-white officers to patrol majority black areas.
That should solve everything.
Nothing has changed since MLK wrote:
The Wendy's just went up in flames.
And now the officer has been terminated.
The protesters have justification to burn down Atlanta Police HQ.
in my apartment wrote:
Ronald Dump wrote:
The guy had already turned to run away and the cop shot him. There's no reasonable explanation for that.
As much as there is a problem with racism in this country there is a major problem with policing in this country.
Cop ran after him, decided he had to die for stealing the taser despite running away with it.
This is the problem. Cops close the distance and physically engage (aka attack) inebriated, mentally ill, and distressed people, then kill them when their reaction is not immediate surrender. That's because for cops, them being in control is more important than the law or ethical actions.
This^
These two meathead cops first lose a wrestling match with a drunk guy, then one has his taser taken right from his hand, then the culprit is about to escape on foot, and the the cop's ego and anger got the best of him. He had to shoot someone in the back as the ran for their life. He had no other choice. Not one. Not a reasonable one anyway, but as we'll see with 3/4 of the Floyd cops, the system will fail to give a guilty verdict. I truely believe this i about training and temperament. If being ex-military is the leading stepping stone to being a police officer, then that could be part of the problem of this constant over escalation.
NativeSon wrote:
the excuse police wrote:
stop making excuses for these criminals.
You want to avoid confrontations with the police, stop committing crimes.
If you can't stop committing crimes for some reason? stop resisting arrest once you commit the crime. Didn't this last guy learn anything from the previous guy two weeks ago?
stop with the excuses.
What did George Floyd do to warrant his death?
Tameer Rice?
Eric Garner?
They are dead!
In the meant ime, Daylan Roof and Cruz (Stoneman Douglas school ) are alive.
Why do people use such warped logic?
you seem to know a lot about america for a kenyan.
but yes, i do wonder why dylan roof was arrested alive.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._GarnerRonald Dump wrote:
Bradyc wrote:
The story said that the guy had the taser and turned toward the officer what do you suggest the officer do, get tased and let the guy then take his gun, if you did nothing wrong then don't run, don't give me the crap that they would have killed the guy even if he did not run. So maybe we just let everyone do what they want so their feelings don't get hurt, let's see how that works
The guy had already turned to run away and the cop shot him. There's no reasonable explanation for that.
As much as there is a problem with racism in this country there is a major problem with policing in this country.
“ Law enforcement officers pursuing an unarmed suspect may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”
The suspect overpowered the officer and took possession of his taser, which is a weapon capable of causing death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. A taser is dangerous itself, but it becomes even more dangerous depending upon where and how it is deployed. A taser completely immobilizes the body and if a subject is tased over pavement, next to water, etc. they Likely to sustain serious injury if they fall. Additionally, if the suspect tases an officer, if gives the suspect the opportunity to take possession of the officer’s firearm. Legally, that officer was probably justified in shooting the feeing suspect.
I agree this is pretty different and the headlines I saw made it sound like the cops walked up to a guy sleeping and executed him.
Now the Wendy's has been burned. Not sure that is a fair deal. What were they supposed to do? The car is running and a person is passed out behind the wheel, that likely is a DUI possibility.
Now the guy grabbing the taser and running makes this different too. Not sure he deserved to be shot as he was fleeing and it was a taser not a gun. Generally speaking, I do not think that if a guy is running away that he should be shot.
shdhhfhdbbs wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._GarnerRonald Dump wrote:
The guy had already turned to run away and the cop shot him. There's no reasonable explanation for that.
As much as there is a problem with racism in this country there is a major problem with policing in this country.
“ Law enforcement officers pursuing an unarmed suspect may use deadly force to prevent escape only if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”
The suspect overpowered the officer and took possession of his taser, which is a weapon capable of causing death or serious physical injury to the officer or others. A taser is dangerous itself, but it becomes even more dangerous depending upon where and how it is deployed. A taser completely immobilizes the body and if a subject is tased over pavement, next to water, etc. they Likely to sustain serious injury if they fall. Additionally, if the suspect tases an officer, if gives the suspect the opportunity to take possession of the officer’s firearm. Legally, that officer was probably justified in shooting the feeing suspect.
Additionally, the suspect in this case had not committed a violent felony when he passed out drunk in the restaurant parking lot. That said, the suspect DID cross over into violent felony territory when he assaulted the two police officers while resisting arrest. The suspect was not “passively resisting” arrest. The video filmed by the bystander clearly shows the suspect body slam and punch one of the officers. I don’t know what the law terminology in Georgia is, but generally speaking he committed assault on a police officer, which is an elevated form of assault.
Nothing has changed since MLK wrote:
the excuse police wrote:
stop making excuses for these criminals.
You want to avoid confrontations with the police, stop committing crimes.
If you can't stop committing crimes for some reason? stop resisting arrest once you commit the crime. Didn't this last guy learn anything from the previous guy two weeks ago?
stop with the excuses.
Being drunk and blocking Wendy's drive through does not make you a criminal.
Well I guess we need a trial for that, but it certainly can get you arrested. I'm pretty sure in GA that it is a DUI to be sitting behind the wheel of a car with the engine running and exceeding the legal limit. Yes, blocking the business is a criminal act.
Now, the rest of it turned into a CF...