Official 2020 Impossible Games Discussion Thread - Team Cheruiyot vs Ingebrigtsen

1:12:46 for Moen

cbenson4 wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

I want to see them because DL pacers are usually terrible

Pacing lights might make future world record attempts kind of boring, but they might also make future world records more frequent, so...

What's boring is when fast time trials are ruined by horrific pacing jobs

Equivalent to a 60:40ish half and 2:07 low marathon. Not a bad effort.

Some kind of pacing lights were used last season or maybe already 2018 in some meets, I think in the London 10k EuroCup and apparently IAAF/WA had admitted them although according to some older rules they would have been forbidden.

Seriously mate? wrote:

Equivalent to a 60:40ish half and 2:07 low marathon. Not a bad effort.

He went out way to fast in order to try and beat the record for an 1 hour race, so the last 30 rounds hurt.

Night of 10k PB / European Cup in London last year had them.

Wave Light Technology (Bram Som is one of the guys behind it)

Karsten Warholm amazing New Record (by .69 seconds, equvivalent of cutting 2 minutes off the Marathon) was made by a broken big toe.

Nor-way wrote:

Cut the lies. She got UNKNOWINGLY a substans from a lip balsam (had lip wound because of the cold). The norwegian doctors mistake who gave it to her (and had to resign).

And the amount would never have given her any advantage.

That is something COMPLETELY different than dopers that cheat for years with EPO and stuff.

Do you expect me to believe that she somehow missed the package markings that clearly indicate it contains banned substances? And that she did not confirm what the medication contains against the banned substances list, which is her responsibility? Athletes are and should be paranoid about these things anyway, but she just forgot? And of course she blames the doctor who's the designated fall guy from the start.

Yeah, the lip balm episode is not a lance armstrong -esque doping scheme spanning over decades, but she was caught and it's sad it gets downplayed as if she did nothing wrong. Which she did by even her own admission, the responsibility is in the end of the athlete who uses the medication, and that's why she got banned. And unfortunately for her, the fans won't forget.

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Fun meet, but a bit sad, this world we have right now.

The 2000 should become the "mile" for elites to give a handicap for regular people who run around 5 minutes.

I remember, and she got a hard punishment for a minor infringement for a dose of something that would never alter anything but her lip, but the law is the law, and I believe to punish her hard with 18 months, manking her miss the Korea Olympics was the right thing, so everyone now knows, not putting on your reading glasses is no excuse, and, I want hard punishment all over, also for missing tests,it should be four years as mister Johnson suggests, but then again, stupidity and minor stuff may be forgiven, and therefore I forgive Therese.

tarckstar wrote:

Fun meet, but a bit sad, this world we have right now.

+1

Hardloper wrote:

cbenson4 wrote:

Pacing lights might make future world record attempts kind of boring, but they might also make future world records more frequent, so...

What's boring is when fast time trials are ruined by horrific pacing jobs

By the way, why is it, do you think, that world class pacing is so hard? They have watches and massive clocks they can constantly check. Are their egos getting in the way?

I understand the rabbits are working extremely hard, but is there really any excuse? Either pick up the pace or step off the track.

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cbenson4 wrote:

By the way, why is it, do you think, that world class pacing is so hard? They have watches and massive clocks they can constantly check. Are their egos getting in the way?

I understand the rabbits are working extremely hard, but is there really any excuse? Either pick up the pace or step off the track.

Yes, and when Filip got that 1000 meters Nordic Record, the Rothbrothers did an amazing job and also Håkon Mushom that covered Filip's back, which I am sure most people missed, but there is science telling that this is important because of aero streams, more important in cycling of course, but they gave it a go also here.

So. It is possible and not so hard.

I happen to believe her doping was accidental. Humans are not machines, they make mistakes.

Both FIS and WADA agreed by the way.

Accidental or not though, she broke the rules and served a well deserved suspension (on the hard side of what's normal for similar offences as other nations in FIS desperately wanted her to miss out on the last olympics and got their will) . I've got no issues with that.

Regardless: She's missed out of the last olympics (and probably 3-4 gold medals there) and there will always be the asterix of that doping sentence when you look at her career. That's just how it is. History doesn't really distinguish between accidental doping or not.

That said. She ran 32:20 last year opening waaaay to hard and having had 0 track sessions in advance. This year she supposedly has had a whopping 4 track sessions and runs 31:40.

All of this when she is not a runner her form is just terrible), carrying a few pounds of excess muscles and running without spikes. Quite impressive in my book and she must surely be one of the best trained athletes in the world (forever haunted by that asterix).

We used the lights back in the 70's at the short lived pro track league

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