You’re closing sentence is utter dung, pure BS.
You’re closing sentence is utter dung, pure BS.
Yeah.
I guess if the trolls decide to close a thread they will.
So if anyone will discus or discuss more just follow me to lichess.org where my handle surprisingly is SprintTriathlon
Take care guys
:-)
PaulG wrote:
Awesome, Norway sounds like a wonderful place. You probably already know this but don’t ever come to the States. You would be miserable here, it’s a hellhole. Also, there’s a gentleman on this thread who wants to move to Scandinavia. You should reach out to him.
I really don't know what your point here is. You're clearly being snarky, but I just don't understand what point your snark is trying to convey.
Are you trying to say that the US is doing a BETTER job that other Scandinavian countries? That is certainly false.
gdeegz wrote:
PaulG wrote:
Awesome, Norway sounds like a wonderful place. You probably already know this but don’t ever come to the States. You would be miserable here, it’s a hellhole. Also, there’s a gentleman on this thread who wants to move to Scandinavia. You should reach out to him.
I really don't know what your point here is. You're clearly being snarky, but I just don't understand what point your snark is trying to convey.
Are you trying to say that the US is doing a BETTER job that other Scandinavian countries? That is certainly false.
I think this poster is being genuine and supportive. You should absolutely get out of the United States and move to Scandinavia as soon as possible. It sounds lovely there.
Also, never come back to the US because it’s terrible here, just terrible.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
gdeegz wrote:
I really don't know what your point here is. You're clearly being snarky, but I just don't understand what point your snark is trying to convey.
Are you trying to say that the US is doing a BETTER job that other Scandinavian countries? That is certainly false.
I think this poster is being genuine and supportive. You should absolutely get out of the United States and move to Scandinavia as soon as possible. It sounds lovely there.
Also, never come back to the US because it’s terrible here, just terrible.
Okay buddy, stay in your American exceptionalism safe space.
gdeegz wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
I think this poster is being genuine and supportive. You should absolutely get out of the United States and move to Scandinavia as soon as possible. It sounds lovely there.
Also, never come back to the US because it’s terrible here, just terrible.
Okay buddy, stay in your American exceptionalism safe space.
I don’t understand the problem. I’m just trying to be as supportive as possible to people trying to move out of the United States, because it’s horrible here.
I actually hear Norway has some great cross-country skiing, much better than the cross country skiing in the United States.
all eyez on me wrote:
energeticlotuseater wrote:
Nope. Do you undergo some kind of training to be such an effeminate bootlicking coward?
yes, we call it "public school"
Too real
Well, George Washington fought and won a revolution during a smallpox epidemic.
HeyLouie wrote:
Numbers looking like 5X seasonal flu with no vax in sight
https://covid19-projections.com/Wear masks inside and lets start to do everything except gyms and crowded indoor places.
Wouldn't we need a more stricter lockdown than ever before along with aggressive testing? The virus is far deadlier than the normal seasonal flu and spreads like wildfire. So, as states reopen and people start conjugating close to one another again (beaches, picnics, summer parties, etc.), it'll start rapidly spreading causing people to get sick and clogging up the hospitals once again. ?
Let's face this honestly: Until we get a safe and effective vaccine this virus is going to run rampant and continue to be destructive. People want the lockdowns to end but many don't want to social distance & wear masks. I can't tell you the number of people I see on daily basis violating social distancing and not wearing masks. I was at a local Walmart the other day and at least *half* the customers weren't wearing masks with many of the them senior citizens - the high-risk group nonetheless! And tons of younger people are coming inside in groups of 4 or 5 almost shoulder to shoulder.
Until there is a safe and effective vaccine, a strict lockdown might be the best way to go to stop the spread and dramatically reduce hospitalizations of the many people who end up sick. I just don't think the average American is disciplined enough to wear a mask all the time and adhere to social distancing guidelines. Again...what I'm seeing out there is crazy; large gatherings, young & old not wearing masks, people standing close to one another, etc. ?
Saxons wrote:
HeyLouie wrote:
Numbers looking like 5X seasonal flu with no vax in sight
https://covid19-projections.com/Wear masks inside and lets start to do everything except gyms and crowded indoor places.
Wouldn't we need a more stricter lockdown than ever before along with aggressive testing? The virus is far deadlier than the normal seasonal flu and spreads like wildfire. So, as states reopen and people start conjugating close to one another again (beaches, picnics, summer parties, etc.), it'll start rapidly spreading causing people to get sick and clogging up the hospitals once again. ?
Let's face this honestly: Until we get a safe and effective vaccine this virus is going to run rampant and continue to be destructive. People want the lockdowns to end but many don't want to social distance & wear masks. I can't tell you the number of people I see on daily basis violating social distancing and not wearing masks. I was at a local Walmart the other day and at least *half* the customers weren't wearing masks with many of the them senior citizens - the high-risk group nonetheless! And tons of younger people are coming inside in groups of 4 or 5 almost shoulder to shoulder.
Until there is a safe and effective vaccine, a strict lockdown might be the best way to go to stop the spread and dramatically reduce hospitalizations of the many people who end up sick. I just don't think the average American is disciplined enough to wear a mask all the time and adhere to social distancing guidelines. Again...what I'm seeing out there is crazy; large gatherings, young & old not wearing masks, people standing close to one another, etc. ?
What if we don’t find a vaccine? HIV still doesn’t have an effective vaccine.
Let me pose the same question to you:
energeticlotuseater wrote:What if we don’t find a vaccine? ...
What do you see as the optimum path forward? Is it the "do nothing" (return to normal behavior) option, or something else?
I am not trying to pick a fight here, I am honestly looking for opinions as to the best way through this balancing illness and loss of life against very real financial and social impacts.
PaulG wrote:
We must not forget that total lockdown — not the virus — is generating catastrophic harms. Restricting other medical care and instilling fear in the public is creating a massive health disaster, in addition to severe economic harms that could generate a world poverty crisis. In the U.S. alone, 150,000 new cancer cases arise every month among patients, and most have not been seen; of the 650,000 U.S. cancer patients receiving chemotherapy, an estimated half are missing their treatments. Half of urgent-care patients are not seeking medical attention; two-thirds of physical therapy is not being administered. Transplants from living donors are down almost 85 percent. Emergency stroke evaluations are down 40 percent. And that doesn’t include the two-thirds to three-fourths of people who are skipping cancer screenings and the more than half of children who are failing to receive vaccinations, all pointing to a massive future health disaster.
Here’s the real failure: Public policy must never be one-dimensional. It can never be foisted on people without careful consideration of its consequences, including the harms from the well-intentioned attempt to solve the initial problem. True leadership demands far more than empathy and caution. Leaders are expected to rationally integrate the evidence, even if complicated, and then apply policies using common sense and a knowledge-based perspective. Conveying rational thinking is how to reassure the public and instill confidence in a chosen pathway.
The total lockdown may have been justified at the start of this pandemic, but it must now end — smartly, without irrational, unnecessary requirements contrary to medical science, common sense and logic. The goal of the strict isolation was accomplished in the overwhelming majority of places. We have direct data on risk and extensive experience, individually and as a nation, with managing it, even as new cases arise. We know that gradually relaxing total isolation will lead to more infections, but that’s acceptable, given that we know whom to protect and this disease is not harmful to the vast majority of infected people.
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/498180-were-risking-national-suicide-if-we-dont-adjust-our-pandemic-response
Very well reasoned post.
interested reader wrote:
Let me pose the same question to you:
energeticlotuseater wrote:What if we don’t find a vaccine? ...
What do you see as the optimum path forward? Is it the "do nothing" (return to normal behavior) option, or something else?
I am not trying to pick a fight here, I am honestly looking for opinions as to the best way through this balancing illness and loss of life against very real financial and social impacts.
I would say go the Sweden approach. Let young healthy people go out and about with the hope of eventually gaining herd immunity. Encourage social distancing but don’t make it mandatory. Protect our older and more vulnerable by encouraging them to stay in doors until the virus runs out of viable hosts.
interested reader wrote:
Let me pose the same question to you:
energeticlotuseater wrote:What if we don’t find a vaccine? ...
What do you see as the optimum path forward? Is it the "do nothing" (return to normal behavior) option, or something else?
I am not trying to pick a fight here, I am honestly looking for opinions as to the best way through this balancing illness and loss of life against very real financial and social impacts.
If no vaccine we'd need to develop an accurate test a layperson can use to check they have the virus.
The HIV comparison is quite astute. No vaccine but people who are likely to be I texted (i.e. sex workers) need to certify they are clean. Remember antiviral drugs have been developed to treat AIDS.
Without a vaccine I can imagine a scenario where we would need to self-certify twice a week for a decade until the virus becomes less virulent and/or we develop antivirals. Viruses do tend to become less virulent due to selection pressures - a virus which routing kills it's host will find it difffficult to spread.
appleswan wrote:
No vaccine but people who are likely to be I texted (i.e. sex workers) need to certify they are clean.
*Infected - stupid predictive phone.
How about no! That's basically saying, "Let us party on the backs of the country while the older people are not around." That was the mantra of many hippies in the 1960s. Is partying that important? And this doesn't even affect me with regard to my health. I do not have, nor have I ever had a pre-existing condition. My last physical showed my health was good. But I am an American who truly is in it together for Americans. I don't see how you can say you love America because it's a free country and then create a caste system of age and vulnerability so that you can have fun. You just exposed the diabolical crux of your whole argument across pages and pages in this thread. You're just a reckless fool. Thanks for the clarification. No need to respond. You won't be regarded.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
interested reader wrote:
Let me pose the same question to you:
What do you see as the optimum path forward? Is it the "do nothing" (return to normal behavior) option, or something else?
I am not trying to pick a fight here, I am honestly looking for opinions as to the best way through this balancing illness and loss of life against very real financial and social impacts.
I would say go the Sweden approach. Let young healthy people go out and about with the hope of eventually gaining herd immunity. Encourage social distancing but don’t make it mandatory. Protect our older and more vulnerable by encouraging them to stay in doors until the virus runs out of viable hosts.
Thank goodness this gave cover for the $7,000,000,000,000 in Wall Street and corporate bailouts. Otherwise the average person would have to have the convulsions of the bank repo markets and the corporate debt stock buyback schemes explained to them.
Eric Arthur Blair wrote:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-dIE0PCNRM70/Xsn-OKH0ufI/AAAAAAAAH1c/eIIcOjYSpi8LfeSgNHRjFWOSJqOYeiEugCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/Shutdown%2BMap.jpg
This is often what happens when preventative measures are effective: people look back and say the problem wasn't really as bad as all the angst that went in to mitigating the problem itself.
Stoppit Smith wrote:
How about no!
That's basically saying, "Let us party on the backs of the country while the older people are not around."
That was the mantra of many hippies in the 1960s.
Is partying that important?
And this doesn't even affect me with regard to my health. I do not have, nor have I ever had a pre-existing condition. My last physical showed my health was good.
But I am an American who truly is in it together for Americans.
I don't see how you can say you love America because it's a free country and then create a caste system of age and vulnerability so that you can have fun.
You just exposed the diabolical crux of your whole argument across pages and pages in this thread.
You're just a reckless fool.
Thanks for the clarification.
No need to respond. You won't be regarded.
energeticlotuseater wrote:
I would say go the Sweden approach. Let young healthy people go out and about with the hope of eventually gaining herd immunity. Encourage social distancing but don’t make it mandatory. Protect our older and more vulnerable by encouraging them to stay in doors until the virus runs out of viable hosts.
If we are unable to create a vaccine for COVID-19 after a couple of years of trying how do we move forward?
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