The official (and only) Ahmaud Arbery thread

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

When a person's life has been taken unlawfully by another that isn't as the result of their own "mistakes".

It certainly is when they don't submit, when they don't attempt to get away from men holding guns, or worse yet, when they attack a person holding a gun...this is simply common sense!

A criminal act remains a criminal act.

Exactly! AA should NOT have trespassed, stole, or attempted assault.

You will see that play out when the accused go to trial - as hard as it will be for you to accept that.

You keep forgetting what I hope for...

The worst you have been able to say about the accused is that they made "mistakes" - just like you say - again and again - about Arbery.

Correct, I do not believe the McMichaels had any intention of killing AA or they could have done it much sooner that day.

So, as far as you are concerned, no one actually committed murder here.

Correct, form what I have seen and my take on the situation AA attacked TM and the shots were caused by AA fighting with TM.

Your inherent prejudice - unconscious as it likely is - in seeking to make Arbery as blameworthy as those who killed him, is as loud as a klaxon.

Sorry, I'm definitely not prejudice, but nice try.

You show no empathy for Arbery's loss of life but have argued like a stuck record for innumerable pages that he was the author of his own misfortune

I'm glad you know how I feel and what I have done for his family since his death, but think what you like...

and have made no serious condemnation of the actions of those who killed him. Oh, yeah - they "made some mistakes".

Since I don't believe they shot him on purpose, what would you like me to say?

You couldn't be more obvious if you had a hood over your head.

I love how you are so clueless and keep trying to make me out to be some racist dude just because I'm pointing out things that obviously could have and should have changed the outcome that day.

My replies in bold above.

Raggedman wrote:

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Then, when I show you proof, you say I have nothing to offer?

If by proof you mean being able to see and hear the stolen tools as Arbery threw them aside then you need to redefine your idea of proof.

I've watched the section of video you reference several times trying to see what you describe and it's just not there.

You will definitely need to get a better monitor then. Like I have said before, if you turn up the sound you can hear "Roddie" mumble something when he first sees AA toss an item and his camera follows the item. The second item can even be heard hitting the ground. Sorry it IS there.

You can see something that looks like a tool lying in the road as Roddie is pulling to a stop, but there's nothing showing that what ever that is was thrown away by Arbery. It looks more like a flip to me, definitely not a hard throw by AA

But let's put that aside, and the fact that property owner has said nothing was taken for the house.

I believe the property owner had made some prior reports of items missing and believe that is why he purchased the surveillance system. I also believe he does not want to draw any attention to his home or himself, thus the reason for his recent comments and the need to already have an attorney involved.

The McMichaels had no direct knowledge of a felony crime being committed and therefore had no right to try to effect a citizens arrest.

You may be right, but having seen AA on surveillance, having had a run in with him about two weeks prior, and with GM having prior detective dealings with him that seems like enough to attempt a Citizens Arrest, but I don't know the ins and outs of the law and could be completely wrong.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Day after day, page after page, AA is NOT a thief, there is NO PROOF that he took anything from the construction site. Then, when I show you proof, you say I have nothing to offer? How is that not offering something meaningful? How is that not factual? Just because it goes against your narrative makes it wrong? Do you thing those tools fell out of the sky?

I looked at the video again and I don't see Arbery discarding tools and worldwide, hundreds of millions of people have seen the video and do not see your "proof".

Thanks for checking it out again. Sounds like you also need to get a better monitor. It's very easy to see and hear on my screen and I feel most people are focusing on the AA jogging at the truck and they simply miss the flipping away of the tools.

The site owner said nothing was stolen and neither the police, the McMichaels or Bryan, mention tools being on the street.

Again, Mr English is in CYA mode, and I have not seen ALL of the reports since the original police report.

If you were the defense attorney would you play the video and point out something no one else in the courtroom can see?

Like I say, it is pretty easy to see on my screen. I'm sure this will be brought up if this even goes to trial.

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Raggedman wrote:

If by proof you mean being able to see and hear the stolen tools as Arbery threw them aside then you need to redefine your idea of proof.

I've watched the section of video you reference several times trying to see what you describe and it's just not there.

You will definitely need to get a better monitor then. Like I have said before, if you turn up the sound you can hear "Roddie" mumble something when he first sees AA toss an item and his camera follows the item. The second item can even be heard hitting the ground. Sorry it IS there.

You can see something that looks like a tool lying in the road as Roddie is pulling to a stop, but there's nothing showing that what ever that is was thrown away by Arbery. It looks more like a flip to me, definitely not a hard throw by AA

But let's put that aside, and the fact that property owner has said nothing was taken for the house.

I believe the property owner had made some prior reports of items missing and believe that is why he purchased the surveillance system. I also believe he does not want to draw any attention to his home or himself, thus the reason for his recent comments and the need to already have an attorney involved.

The McMichaels had no direct knowledge of a felony crime being committed and therefore had no right to try to effect a citizens arrest.

You may be right, but having seen AA on surveillance, having had a run in with him about two weeks prior, and with GM having prior detective dealings with him that seems like enough to attempt a Citizens Arrest, but I don't know the ins and outs of the law and could be completely wrong.

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SDSU Aztec wrote:

There are millions of people who, just like you, want to place the blame on AA, but you are the only one who sees him discarding tools.

I would say there are way more siding with the McMicaels and based on what happened in Minnesota, WE ALL better hope that the family of AA has an attorney that can put them away or we may lose Atlanta plus who knows how many other cities will go crazy. Again, the reason we need transparency and all facts need to be presented to help prevent issues like what happened in Minneapolis yesterday. I know I'm not the only one that has noticed it since i read it or heard it on another site prior to me mentioning it here.

If he had done so, it would have been in the police report.

Having a guy attack a man holding a gun probably seemed like enough to mention to the McMichaels. I'm sure there is plenty that didn't make it in the police report and I'm sure if the McMichaels noticed AA flipping the tools they may have thought it was trivial compared to a shooting and may have just forgot to mention it. If AA didn't toss the tools as he approached the McMichaels, how did they get there? If you truly can't see them moving and hear them hitting the ground just pretend and speculate how that could happen?

The McMichaels and Bryan were looking right at Arbery and did not mention it. It would have supported the McMichaels's story so, for sure, they would pointed it out. I'm guessing this will come out in discovery.

Your desire to blame AA is so strong, you're seeing things that aren't there.

Everyone at my office missed it as well until I cranked the volume and pointed it out. At least two items get flipped from AA and are laying on the road caught on the "Roddie" video. They definitely are there.

Please provide want video of someone, and not one by a black M.A.G.A guy, where someone else can see Arbery dumping tools.

PLEASE get a better monitor and be honest on what you see.

Ronald Dump wrote:

Ward Cleaver wrote:

Please provide want video of someone, and not one by a black M.A.G.A guy, where someone else can see Arbery dumping tools.

PLEASE get a better monitor and be honest on what you see.

Can you explain why AA, while making no motion to throw, managed to get an item into the street on the other side of the street,

It's a small tool, a simple flip of the wrist could send it several feet.

get well past it and then have the item in the street make a noise like something landing on the ground as the truck drove past it?

must be part of another conspiracy theory, or smart old' "Roddie" photo shopped that in to his cell phone video.

Was there a sound delay in a short area that particular day

Well at least you are now admitting that this exists. I don't have a problem with the timing of the tool hitting the ground and associated sound when I watch it.

If the defense were to remotely attempt to introduce this as "evidence", the judge would throw it out after the first viewing.

Possibly, but highly doubtful.