The official (and only) Ahmaud Arbery thread

ElRunner wrote:

Ward Cleaver wrote:

You gathered that from my reply to your ghetto story? What would the proper response have been to get an A+ on your test?

It was pass/no pass. All you had to do was show you are capable of putting yourself in someone else’s shoes. That’s it.

The point you are missing is we have control over so many situations and with a little common sense WE don't need to out ourselves in other people's shoes? Why is that so hard for YOU to see?

Did you not see when I said "It actually is a great example of how someone could unfortunately feel, and be absolutely frightened when in a bad situation like you depict. Are you saying I still don't understand what it would be like to be in the situation you presented?

Again, what would have been the appropriate response from me that would have earned a passing mark?

Monkeys typing wrote:

ElRunner wrote:

Ward. That was a test to see if you are a troll. You passed. And by passed, I mean you are a troll face.

You have zero empathy.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

The next time you encounter a troll online, remember:

These trolls are some truly difficult people.

It is your suffering that brings them pleasure, so the best thing you can do is ignore them.

Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.

PLEASE show me where I have done any of the above?

Monkeys typing wrote:

ElRunner wrote:

Ward. That was a test to see if you are a troll. You passed. And by passed, I mean you are a troll face.

You have zero empathy.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

The next time you encounter a troll online, remember:

These trolls are some truly difficult people.

It is your suffering that brings them pleasure, so the best thing you can do is ignore them.

Thank-you for the advice. Will do!

I definitely need to watch your zone video, because the video I'm watching shows AA RUNNING at TM who I assume moved from his door to the front DRIVER's Side corner of his truck while AA jogged around the opposite side of the truck. I DO NOT see him sprint at AA to confront AA. Sorry that my video is apparently different from yours, but I'm willing to change my opinion if you can show me a different video or still shots from your video that show TM over on the passenger side of the truck where AA is last seen jogging on my video.

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FUN READ -

Greetings Genuine People: Let me dissect this calculated, disingenuous, and masked poppycock tactic being used here. NOTE: his main strategy here is akin to the HE WHO SMELT IT DEALT IT game. He knows the facts but has to play this DID YOU REALLY SEE WHAT YOU SAW and DOES WHAT YOU SAW MEAN THIS HAPPENED NEXT angle because the facts isn’t in his self interest. He constantly states his “objectivity” all the while his game plan is to get people to not see, omit, or not consider FACTS to create the allusion and end game of recruiting people who think ‘REASONABLE DOUBT’ is a possibility. I mean come on besides the typo of zone rather like “one”....who honestly believes this dude can’t comprehend when he can break down every paragraph, sentence, and word but somehow he is incapable of assuming Travis’s intent and stops exactly at he “walked” to the “front of the drivers side headlight” (which is still the front of the truck). Yup just stops assuming Travis’s ‘intent’ was to chase Arbery on foot as he did from inside the truck. To avoid saying as much...he even goes as far as to tell us what ‘really should have happened if Arbery INTENT was to elude his chasers’....yes the grand plan is Arbery should have ran “hard left”.

Disclaimer: A hard left for us genuine folk would have us running on the driver’s side of the truck and where Travis is WAITING because we can also see things from Arbery’s perspective. This guy distracting us means Arbery should have made a hard right because he can only see things from what he wishes was Travis’s perspective and from Travis’s position Arbery would have made a hard left.

Let’s dig further into these reindeer games he plays. On one end, he doesn’t need to see any video of Arbery stealing anything or damaging property to ASSUME any ‘reasonable thinking family member of the McMichaels’ would be suspicious of Arbery committing a felony. Nope no video of that needed! Just seeing Arbery enter the construction site and walk around is the only FACTS this guy needs to calculate Arbery’s intent could be of felonious nature. I mean “why else would he be in there right?” Yet he “cannot see” or reasonably assume Travis’s intent to stop Arbery on foot when he RAN from the drivers side door to THE FRONT OF THE TRUCK!! No one needs a video to figure out how this fat guy ended up where he did. Nope he cannot do it folks!!! He cannot do this in spite of the video showing Travis and Pops getting in the truck, the reports of Travis driving that truck which is chasing Arbery, and like I said the video of Travis going from the drivers side of that truck to the front of it. Ladies and gentlemen of Letsrun...His angle is obvious.

The reality is this is like a jigsaw puzzle of your face with some missing pieces. The pieces are the facts. We don’t have them all, but they ones we do have let’s you know the image is of you. The deflector here wants to purposely not include the pieces of your face that we do have...just so that he can create a different image of what the puzzle could be in your head!

My hope is that you all aren’t fooled into not using your common sense and the facts we do have because this tool wants to distract us. If you said a YouTube video of a cake looked to be baked well and turned out perfectly. He would (in bold printed response) say: I “did not” see anyone put it in the oven. How do you know it was baked? That’s the type of guy he is. We all have encountered them before and will again in the future...so him being here now is nothing new nor special.

It's called gaslighting. Not worth engaging with.

Reflection_ wrote:

I have watched numerous video clips of what you are trying to say happened and the only one I see running is AA, and it IS him that made the hard turn and went at TM in the front of that truck. If you have a video showing TM sprinting anywhere around his truck PLEASE POST YOUR EVIDENCE.

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/newsfeed/2020/05/video-shows-killing-ahmaud-arbery-200510112554110.html

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I'm surprised, actually, by what I see when I watch this video. At the :26 second point, AA suddenly veers from right to left, around the right front corner of the truck and then across the front of the truck. This is clearer at the :27 point, but you need the previous second to get a sense of how complete and forceful a commitment that left swerve it. AA travels the complete width of the truck; the first shotgun shot sounds as AA's foot and then white shirt become visible on the LEFT side of the truck, just beyond the open driver's side door of the truck.

There's no question that AA charges Travis. I wasn't clear on this prior to this video, but it's clear from this video.

He may have charged in self-defense. He may have believed that Travis was about to shoot him and that he had no choice but to charge and wrest the gun away from him. None of us really know that.

I see no evidence that Travis McMichael is charging Arbery.

I've made clear in a number of posts to this point that I side with those who have argued that the McMichaels were committing a felony by chasing AA, brandishing a weapon at him, and seeking to stop him in this way. I also agree with those who have argued that the killing thus become felony murder.

Here I'm simply speaking narrowly to the facts: what can actually be seen, and intuited, by any reasonable observer.

I should clarify: it was Ward Cleaver who posted this video and that comment. On this particular factual claim, he's right.

KudzuRunner wrote:

I see no evidence that Travis McMichael is charging Arbery.

The camera movement camera movement makes it impossible to fully see what happend, but at 22 seconds, as the camera is moving, you can see the silhouette ofTravis's legs about even with the edge of the open door. When he re-enters the frame around 27 seconds he's even with the left side of the truck, in stride, and moving to cross the front of the truck.

Whether or not that constitutes "charging", Travis was positioned to the left of the truck and then was moving to cross in front of the truck after Arbery moved to go on the passenger side. It's clear enough that he was moving toward Arbery's changed direction.

Apparently, video of Arbery's pursuit, altercation and shooting is over 4 minutes long. So far, only 32 seconds has been made public.

This might help Arbery's side as it could support a view his seemingly sudden attack on the younger McMichael was borne of frustration or desperation.

The person who filmed this, William "Roddy" Bryan, says he and his family are receiving death threats.

One of the Lawyer's for Arbery's side, S. Lee Merritt, seems to encourage this;

Question: Roddy Bryan says you are causing a threat to HIS life! He’s in hiding because he’s afraid he might be killed.

Response: #AhmaudArbery is actually dead in large part because of his actions.

S. Lee Merritt also tweeted a photo and name of Glynn County PD Officer (Robert Rash) stating "this is the man that set the plan in motion that led to the murder of #AhmaudArbery".

This conduct seems to invite harassment and threats toward witnesses -- and is not what one would expect from a member of the bar.

https://twitter.com/MeritLaw/status/1263190752261259264

https://twitter.com/meritlaw/status/1262346069268193281

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/glynn-county/ahmaud-arbery-was-chased-over-4-minutes-before-being-shot-killed-attorney-says/JIGXE7CYWZBMNBISIFQK6FA44M/

KudzuRunner wrote:

Reflection_ wrote:

I have watched numerous video clips of what you are trying to say happened and the only one I see running is AA, and it IS him that made the hard turn and went at TM in the front of that truck. If you have a video showing TM sprinting anywhere around his truck PLEASE POST YOUR EVIDENCE.

https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/newsfeed/2020/05/video-shows-killing-ahmaud-arbery-200510112554110.html

I'm surprised, actually, by what I see when I watch this video. At the :26 second point, AA suddenly veers from right to left, around the right front corner of the truck and then across the front of the truck. This is clearer at the :27 point, but you need the previous second to get a sense of how complete and forceful a commitment that left swerve it. AA travels the complete width of the truck; the first shotgun shot sounds as AA's foot and then white shirt become visible on the LEFT side of the truck, just beyond the open driver's side door of the truck.

There's no question that AA charges Travis. I wasn't clear on this prior to this video, but it's clear from this video.

He may have charged in self-defense. He may have believed that Travis was about to shoot him and that he had no choice but to charge and wrest the gun away from him. None of us really know that.

I see no evidence that Travis McMichael is charging Arbery.

I've made clear in a number of posts to this point that I side with those who have argued that the McMichaels were committing a felony by chasing AA, brandishing a weapon at him, and seeking to stop him in this way. I also agree with those who have argued that the killing thus become felony murder.

Here I'm simply speaking narrowly to the facts: what can actually be seen, and intuited, by any reasonable observer.[/quote]

You see no evidence because you are focused solely on Arbery! I am focused on Travis’s action. And what is known doesn’t always need to be said.

Example: You have no problem understnding this sentence even though you never “see” the letter “a” in the word understanding. You assumed that an “a” was the missing letter because it only makes sense. It didn’t take you long to come to such a conclusion and making up various possibilities doesn’t change that your first impulse was to insert an “a”.

Travis has over 3 mins to end his chase of Arbery with the truck. He proceeded with the chase nonetheless. He didn’t see Arbery doing anything nor have any immediate knowledge that Arbery was doing anything. He is only here because his dad told him to come. But he did stop the chase nor his intent to stop Arbery. When (they) had Arbery between them Travis did NOT stop that truck, get out of that truck, with shotgun in hand just to innocently look for an ice cream truck!!! Travis was waiting at the driver’s side door for Arbery. For four minutes now, his intent on foot is the same as his intent in the truck TO STOP ARBERY. Arbery runs away from Travis on the opposite side of the truck...Travis could have easily stood his ground next to the drivers side door yet Travis intent remains to stop Arbery...Travis moves to the front of the truck to STOP Arbery. And just like you could assume where that “a” went...you can assume without seeing him that Travis (I say) ran bc he’s fat but if you believe his heavy self could walk, crawl, skip, or side shuffle to the front of the truck it doesn’t change that his intent from the moment he start the truck was to stop Arbery!! Arbery’s reaction to Travis’s action is a mute point. Arbery has demonstrated for 4 mins he was running from Travis who was chasing him.

We're supposed to feel sorry for those two guys? Roddy helped corner Arbery and no one asked him be camara man for the chase. McMichael was prohibited from making arrests when he was a detective, but Rash felt empowered to deputize McMichael after he retired. There is no way he did that with approval from the PD.

How you feel is up to you. But usual values, and our social contract, uphold it's wrong make or promote death threats. Doubly so when directed to those with peripheral culpability. One crime does not justify another. Certainly, harassment and threats shouldn't be encouraged by a lawyer, particularly one close to the case.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

We're supposed to feel sorry for those two guys? Roddy helped corner Arbery and no one asked him be camara man for the chase. McMichael was prohibited from making arrests when he was a detective, but Rash felt empowered to deputize McMichael after he retired. There is no way he did that with approval from the PD.

The attorney shouldn't be rattling cages here. He's just wrong.

The "deputization" of the McMichaels was likely not valid anyway since, typically, only an elected sheriff would have that power but who knows what the laws are in Georgia. In fact, the single biggest piece of evidence working in the McMichaels favor is the fact that it is all happening in Georgia.

Ernest wrote:

How you feel is up to you.

But usual values, and our social contract, uphold it's wrong make or promote death threats.

Doubly so when directed to those with peripheral culpability.

One crime does not justify another.

Certainly, harassment and threats shouldn't be encouraged by a lawyer, particularly one close to the case.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

We're supposed to feel sorry for those two guys? Roddy helped corner Arbery and no one asked him be camara man for the chase. McMichael was prohibited from making arrests when he was a detective, but Rash felt empowered to deputize McMichael after he retired. There is no way he did that with approval from the PD.

I'm not condoning anyone murdering them and death threats are about a thousands times more common than someone actually killing someone. Tara Reade claims she's received death threats, but it's ridiculous to believe someone would actually murder her.

More specifically, I believe Roddy and Rash deserve the negative publicity they are receiving.

Indeed. The Arbery' lawyer's Twitter post naming, shaming, and blaming a Glynn Country PD Officer (and material witness) triggers predictable "Amens from choir", but the Officer's home address is then posted. Why would his home address be posted in that context (and left up) if for no other reason than to encourage harassment?

Ronald Dump wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

We're supposed to feel sorry for those two guys? Roddy helped corner Arbery and no one asked him be camara man for the chase. McMichael was prohibited from making arrests when he was a detective, but Rash felt empowered to deputize McMichael after he retired. There is no way he did that with approval from the PD.

The attorney shouldn't be rattling cages here. He's just wrong.

The "deputization" of the McMichaels was likely not valid anyway since, typically, only an elected sheriff would have that power but who knows what the laws are in Georgia. In fact, the single biggest piece of evidence working in the McMichaels favor is the fact that it is all happening in Georgia.

Meanwhile, Bryan has been arrested under the same charges:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ahmaud-arbery-william-bryan-recorded-video-charged-with-felony-murder/

Ernest wrote:

Indeed.

The Arbery' lawyer's Twitter post naming, shaming, and blaming a Glynn Country PD Officer (and material witness) triggers predictable "Amens from choir", but the Officer's home address is then posted.

Why would his home address be posted in that context (and left up) if for no other reason than to encourage harassment?

Ronald Dump wrote:

The attorney shouldn't be rattling cages here. He's just wrong.

The "deputization" of the McMichaels was likely not valid anyway since, typically, only an elected sheriff would have that power but who knows what the laws are in Georgia. In fact, the single biggest piece of evidence working in the McMichaels favor is the fact that it is all happening in Georgia.

He's also right about Arbery being the one person who's dead.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Meanwhile, Bryan has been arrested under the same charges:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/ahmaud-arbery-william-bryan-recorded-video-charged-with-felony-murder/

This doesn't bode well for the McMichaels.

Ernest wrote:

Indeed.

The Arbery' lawyer's Twitter post naming, shaming, and blaming a Glynn Country PD Officer (and material witness) triggers predictable "Amens from choir", but the Officer's home address is then posted.

Why would his home address be posted in that context (and left up) if for no other reason than to encourage harassment?

Ronald Dump wrote:

The attorney shouldn't be rattling cages here. He's just wrong.

The "deputization" of the McMichaels was likely not valid anyway since, typically, only an elected sheriff would have that power but who knows what the laws are in Georgia. In fact, the single biggest piece of evidence working in the McMichaels favor is the fact that it is all happening in Georgia.

The "deputization" was blatantly wrong. When does an officer instruct someone to call a neighbor instead of the police? I've never heard of such a thing. Maybe Rash doing so, gave the elder McMichael more confidence that he was doing the right thing by chasing after Arbery.