OFFICIAL 2014 Paris Diamond League Discussion Thread

Number of sub-13 performances.

Bob Kennedy 14

Bernard Lagat 11

Galen Rupp 10

Chris Solinsky 4

Matt Tegenkamp 4

Chris Derrick 3

Dathan Ritzenhein 2

Evan Jager 2

Lopez Lomong 2

Adam Goucher 1

Ben True 1

Hassan Mead 1

Sydney Maree 1

List of sub-13 performances.

12:53.60 Bernard Lagat 2011

12:54.12 Bernard Lagat 2010

12:55.53 Chris Solinsky 2010

12:56.27 Dathan Ritzenhein 2009

12:56.45 Chris Solinsky 2010

12:56.66 Chris Solinsky 2010

12:58.21 Bob Kennedy 1996

12:58.56 Matt Tegenkamp 2009

12:58.75 Bob Kennedy 1996

12:58.90 Galen Rupp 2012

12:58.99 Bernard Lagat 2013

12:59.22 Bernard Lagat 2006

12:59.29 Bernard Lagat 2005

12:59.92 Bernard Lagat 2012

13:00.99 Galen Rupp 2014

13:01.15 Sydney Maree 1985

13:01.26i Galen Rupp 2014

13:01.37 Galen Rupp 2013

13:02.40 Evan Jager 2013

13:02.74 Ben True 2014

13:02.80 Hassan Mead 2014

13:02.93 Bob Kennedy 1994

13:03.06 Bernard Lagat 2009

13:03.35 Galen Rupp 2014

13:03.37 Bob Kennedy 1995

13:03.57 Bob Kennedy 1998

13:04.04 Bob Kennedy 1996

13:04.90 Matt Tegenkamp 2006

13:05.17 Galen Rupp 2013

13:05.18 Bob Kennedy 1998

13:05.46 Bernard Lagat 2011

13:05.54 Bob Kennedy 1999

13:05.93 Bob Kennedy 1994

13:06.12 Bob Kennedy 1996

13:06.62 Bob Kennedy 1997

13:06.86 Galen Rupp 2011

13:07.00i Lopez Lomong 2013

13:07.15i Bernard Lagat 2012

13:07.35 Galen Rupp 2010

13:07.41 Matt Tegenkamp 2007

13:07.71 Bob Kennedy 1997

13:07.76 Bernard Lagat 2013

13:07.95 Lopez Lomong 2014

13:07.97 Matt Tegenkamp 2009

13:08.04 Chris Derrick 2013

13:08.11 Chris Solinsky 2010

13:08.18 Chris Derrick 2014

13:08.43 Bernard Lagat 2011

13:08.43 Bob Kennedy 1999

13:08.63 Evan Jager 2014

13:08.69 Galen Rupp 2013

13:09.04 Chris Derrick 2013

13:09.50 Galen Rupp 2012

13:09.53 Dathan Ritzenhein 2013

13:09.64 Bob Kennedy 1995

13:10.00 Adam Goucher 2006

Everyone thought this was going to be Obiri/Aregawi. Obiri ran well, but it was all about Jenny pulling the field out. Aregawi seems to be hurt.

Hassan came out of nowhere, she's another young Ethiopian miler (like Aregawi) who took the Euro money and became a Dutch citizen.

This event is getting real interesting. We haven't even seen Dibaba run 1500 outdoor yet.

Jenny S. is my favorite athlete. I love to watch her run!

Oh, she has a kick all right. But does she finish second if they hit the bell in say, 3 flat instead of 2:55? I don't think so.

By going from 800 she ELIMINATES a lot of the kickers. Only 1 stayed with her and passed her on the last lap. If she doesn't go from 800, a lot more would have been with her and passed her on the last lap.

Meant sub-13:10 performances

Those are sub 13:10 times. Mead and True have only run 13:02

Bro, per what you posted the sub 13 list is as follows:

Lagat: 6

Solinsky: 3

Kennedy: 2

Ritz: 1

Teg: 1

Rupp: 1

All I can say that was one helluva 1500. A real surprise, did not see that coming. Simpson has been quietly threatening for awhile.

And this Hassan, who the hell is she? Only 21. How did Holland get her? Another arranged marriage? lol

So Rupp is only 5th best 5k runner USA has ever had. Kennedy still has two times better than Rupp's PR. Its hard to believe Rupp still only has one sub-13. Guy needs to grow a pair and race like a man.

Horrible wrote:

Didn't realize the pacemakers did their job. Rupp should have taken advantage and hung off their shoulder. He's one of my favorite runners, but that's bush that he didn't. How a 26:4s guy isn't confident enough to get after it is beyond me. That's what differentiates a boss like geb, bekele, Tergat, hicham, or komen from someone like rupp. Sounds like he lacked balls today. That's a shame and a waste of his talent and fitness level.

^^THIS^^

during the break of NL - CRC:

Sifan arrived as a refugee in NL at the age of about 15.

After 5 years she got her passport, no shortcuts were made.

She speaks dutch reasonably well.

I had the privilege of training a few times with her in Eindhoven, at that time she didnt run really well (spring 2011) but this turned out to be due to depleted iron levels and when this was found out, she made massive improvements.

We are all really proud of her.

i hate larry rawlson wrote:

Horrible wrote:

Didn't realize the pacemakers did their job. Rupp should have taken advantage and hung off their shoulder. He's one of my favorite runners, but that's bush that he didn't. How a 26:4s guy isn't confident enough to get after it is beyond me. That's what differentiates a boss like geb, bekele, Tergat, hicham, or komen from someone like rupp. Sounds like he lacked balls today. That's a shame and a waste of his talent and fitness level.

^^THIS^^

I rather agree. Rupp is running pretty well at 5k right now, clearly on a better level than ever before...but he still doesn't seem to be running the race that gives him the best chance to win.

I believe he is one of the strongest guys in the field from a time standpoint, and I can't imagine a fast pace with a long windup from 800-1000 out wouldn't give him the best chance to win.

He did get a little boxed on the last lap and lost some momentum...but I still don't see Rupp beating guys like Soi or Alamirew or Ndiku over the last 2 or 3 hundred meters off cruising to the bell.

Les wrote:

Simpson and Coburn HAVE TO run that way to have a chance of winning. They don't have the kicks to wait till the last lap. It's necessity, not choice. If they had lethal kicks they wouldn't be running that way.

The depth in men's racing is much greater than the women's. Only someone clearly physically superior to everyone in the world can just run away from a pack -- and there isn't anybody like that now, including Mo Farah. Rupp's not going to do that because he's not clearly better than everybody in the world. The other guys are not going to go with the pacers because why should they? They get paid by PLACE, not TIME. Paris in 2012 was an Olympic year and guys were motivated to run fast to impress their Olympic selection committees.

Yeah and I'm pretty sure the person who runs the fastest TIME ends up PLACING the highest.

That's good. She's in the big time now, great race. Hope she can keep it up.

Hoya Rox wrote:

Jenny S. is my favorite athlete. I love to watch her run!

I agree

Men's 800m is up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doiVUuPhlcE

Rupp can drive from 800 out in what 1:56, maybe faster and rock the last 400 in what, 52-mid, so he's got wheels. He could put himself in winner's and record territory by applying his cardio/strength/endurance and either of those two tools will kill the field at the end except for the strongest Africans. Why he doesn't just use what he's got is beyond me. Dunno, maybe we can switch brains for a brain and I'll race in his body and show him how it's done.

LM wrote:

i hate larry rawlson wrote:

^^THIS^^

I rather agree. Rupp is running pretty well at 5k right now, clearly on a better level than ever before...but he still doesn't seem to be running the race that gives him the best chance to win.

I believe he is one of the strongest guys in the field from a time standpoint, and I can't imagine a fast pace with a long windup from 800-1000 out wouldn't give him the best chance to win.

He did get a little boxed on the last lap and lost some momentum...but I still don't see Rupp beating guys like Soi or Alamirew or Ndiku over the last 2 or 3 hundred meters off cruising to the bell.

It's hard not to like Jenny, works so hard, so dedicated, a real overachiever. a real class act too. One of the nicest girls on the circuit.

I think that's correct. A pb and a real milestone for Shannon, but amazing front running from Jenny. In truth she doesn't have the raw speed to compete at the end unless she stretches the field out during the middle of the race. The first time we saw her do this was at the Drake Relays early last year - she just thrashed the mostly American field and nobody American has competed well with her since.

Q & A wrote:

Have not looked this up but anyone know if this is the first time for 2 Americans sub 4 in the same race?