Yep, it's very easy to be drenched in sweat and have a high HR on the elliptical.
So it's harder than an actual race?
This tangent is especially absurd. I’d sweat more stretching in a sauna than racing a 5k on a 30 degree day, but one is a greater effort. I really don’t know how to explain this to you. It’s seriously as if you have no experience with exercise.
This tangent is especially absurd. I’d sweat more stretching in a sauna than racing a 5k on a 30 degree day, but one is a greater effort. I really don’t know how to explain this to you. It’s seriously as if you have no experience with exercise.
These arguments become increasingly absurd. Training in a gym is not lying in a sauna.
Interesting. I’ve wondered about this certainly. But that gesture at the end of the 5k seemed genuine (albeit I take the caveat for as a champ it is undoubtedly easier to feel good abt wanting to share your felicity and transmitting that as compassion). Care to elaborate?
In high school, I competed against her multiple times. She was known in high school to run high mileage, yet in college she has stated multiple times that she didn’t run much in high school and that she wasn’t serious about the sport in high school. I saw another person post that her dad works in pharmaceuticals, which is true. He is (or at least was)also a body builder.
Interesting. I’ve wondered about this certainly. But that gesture at the end of the 5k seemed genuine (albeit I take the caveat for as a champ it is undoubtedly easier to feel good abt wanting to share your felicity and transmitting that as compassion). Care to elaborate?
In high school, I competed against her multiple times. She was known in high school to run high mileage, yet in college she has stated multiple times that she didn’t run much in high school and that she wasn’t serious about the sport in high school. I saw another person post that her dad works in pharmaceuticals, which is true. He is (or at least was)also a body builder.
High mileage in high school - if that is true - could explain why she became injury prone. But now she has discovered the key to success is low mileage - unlike any other top distance runner.
A lot of rationalizations for why it works on this thread. She is not mentally tougher than all of her competitors, the whole NCAA, or more of a gamer. Just listen to her interviews. She is just fitter than everyone else. How she got there, that is the question.
I actually think she is beating her competition as much on mental fitness as physical, which is saying something. Just listening to her interviews over the past few years, she has revealed some mental tricks that keep her motivated at all parts of the race. Mentally she seems "built different". She definitely has more confidence than she did in the days that she was 2nd to Tuohy, so much so that sometimes she comes off a little arrogant. Not really a critcism since she backs it up, but still I think this gives her a boost over her peers.
I posted a couple of years ago that even though I am a huge fan of Tuohy that I thought Parker was going to end up the faster runner. When she was trailing Tuohy, it was only by a couple of seconds. This was when Tuohy was doing "intense" workouts, according to Laurie Henes. During this same time Valby admitted on podcasts that she didn't really strength train and sucked at push ups, and she was missing a lot of training due to injury. During this past xc season she stated that she had added dedicated strength training. I think it has made her a more powerful runner. Also, the coach at Florida changed, and I think this coach came in with a better plan for her training that really brought out her full potential. Also, she has been able to go longer without being injured and we are getting to see how she runs with more consistent training.
The thing that was kind of stunning yesterday is that she did not seem too spent after that effort. She left a talented field in the dust. When Tuohy ran 15:03 she was laying on the track after the race. 14:52 did not seem like even a full effort for Valby. I am curious how fast she can run going 100%. I think if Tuohy had been in this race she would have gotten beat yesterday. Not only is Parker Valby physically a running beast, she does not seem to be intimidated at all. I can't wait to see what she does in the trials.
Parker is in a different league than Tuohy at this point.
Im more interested to watch her start racing Alicia Monson than Tuohy. I just don't see Tuohy ever getting to that level.
But, keep it in context of indoor races only and AR vs CR.
I don’t want this post to sound like I’m throwing water on what Valby has accomplished, but I think she, as just an example, still needs two-three years of progression to get to the point of being really interesting at the World Championship level, competing with East Africans.
The overarching reason for this is largely cultural and environmental in the training of US high-school/collegiate athletes, versus what they have going on ‘over there’.
So the bottom line is that in order to be competitive with what they have going on over there, drastic changes would be required in the training and development of US female athletes. (But whether those ‘sacrifices’ are really ‘worth-it’ is also an issue that would need to be part of the discussion. )
She's definitely not going to just drop a 14:1X within the next year, but seeing her actually get to race against fitter athletes and not front run will be interesting.
I'd be shocked if she doesnt have another 10-20 seconds in the tank right now with legitimate competition.
Haha! I guess I should have defined what I meant by mental fitness. I think all of those hours on the elliptical have trained her to handle boredom well, and to distract herself to get through pain. I was not implying that she might have some intellectual edge. After the $20,000 ATM scam fiasco I think it might be quite the opposite. A lot of the top distance runners like Tuohy and others are also superior academically and might over think and analyze things and psych themselves out a bit. I don't think Parker Valby suffers from this issue. She is talented and has a strong work ethic and is beautiful so I guess she does not need to be any kind of thinker. She will be successful and likely wealthy on just that. But listening to her talk I have this sense that her coaches just look at her and say "Run, Parker, run!!" and she takes off like Forrest Gump and floors it until she gets to the line.
I wonder if those dissing the cross-training have actually even tried it. I wear my Coros 2 watch (just like I do when I run), which monitors my heart rate, so I know how hard I'm working. The sweat puddles because you aren't moving through the air like when you're running. If you have a fan blowing directly on you, you won't notice as much sweat.
Also the argument about Jakob Ingebrigtsen not doing this kind of training is kind of funny because of his history of Nordic skiing training. He's also had plenty of injuries. Not to mention he's a man with different physiology than Parker Valby. Women aren't small men. I'm not saying Parker Valby's training is how everyone should train, I'm saying people should be open to trying new things to see what works best for them individually.
It's actually way more efficient to be able to just run vs. doing such long cross-training sessions, but if that gets you injured you won't get anywhere.
This tangent is especially absurd. I’d sweat more stretching in a sauna than racing a 5k on a 30 degree day, but one is a greater effort. I really don’t know how to explain this to you. It’s seriously as if you have no experience with exercise.
These arguments become increasingly absurd. Training in a gym is not lying in a sauna.
I was using that example to say that sweat generated does not equal effort. I guess I don’t even know what you’re arguing. You’re saying that because Valby wasn’t drenched in sweat during her race yesterday that she’s lying about sweating a lot on the arc trainer? And that means she must be doping? I mean…seriously dude?
I do believe I’d see even more improvement if I was using an Arc Trainer for all cross-training and adding in swimming,
Why so? Because of specific leg muscle development? Online videos show both people either using handles, or standing upright without using the handles. I think the latter could possibly improve neuromuscular balance.
I feel like when I use the Arc Trainer, there is more of a "push-off" sensation, like when you propel yourself forward in running. The elliptical feels more up-and-down if that makes sense.
Use your brain. A 5k lasts 15 minutes vs elliptical that lasts much longer than that, which means that a runner would be much less sweaty when running only 15 minutes.
Plus when someone is running the air is moving over them vs elliptical when the person is stationary. How come you aren't smart enough to figure that out without me explaining that to you?
What about when she runs when there is no wind? Just like the gym.
When you run the air is moving over you at the speed you’re moving, whereas on an arc trainer you are stationary. You’re somehow still not understanding this. I guess it’s a tricky concept for someone to whom exercise is strictly theoretical.
The only "genuine oddity" around here is you, with your continued innuendo that every top young female not named Touhy is doing drugs, and every top young female with the name Touhy is completely clean.
You add nothing constructive to the conversation. All you are is an annoying broken record, saying the same thing over and over again. You really should stop doing that.
If you can point out what these are, let us know. We have seen Katelyn struggle to return from injury. We have seen her tired and worn down. We have seen her exhausted at the end of races, and having uneven efforts. We have seen her conserving her efforts because she was worried about fatigue and heavy legs. We have seen in other words all the hallmarks of normal athlete.
She is obviously seriously competitive to put herself through the training, but said she handles the pressure by not taking it too seriously, as it’s “just hamsters running around a track”…(or something like that).
Valby's humor is not my cup of tea, but at least she puts her personality out there. She's trying. And I'm sure that some of her fans really like it.
Fans don't just like following fast runners, they like following fast runners with an interesting personality, and the sport of track and field could use a few more of those.
Why so? Because of specific leg muscle development? Online videos show both people either using handles, or standing upright without using the handles. I think the latter could possibly improve neuromuscular balance.
I feel like when I use the Arc Trainer, there is more of a "push-off" sensation, like when you propel yourself forward in running. The elliptical feels more up-and-down if that makes sense.
I watched a YT video of a guy demonstrating different ways to use the arc trainer:
(1) One way is to stand upright and balance oneself without holding on to anything, and then use the arms like in a natural running gait. That seems it might be difficult to get a high cadence if the resistance is cranked up to maximum.
(2) The second way can be very intense. The guy held on, braced his shoulders against the machine and pushed with his legs, through the whole body up through the shoulders and arms. That would be difficult to sustain beyond short high intensity repetitions.
What about when she runs when there is no wind? Just like the gym.
When you run the air is moving over you at the speed you’re moving, whereas on an arc trainer you are stationary. You’re somehow still not understanding this. I guess it’s a tricky concept for someone to whom exercise is strictly theoretical.
I think we’ve come full circle from “Does the plane take off?” on a treadmill question. 😀
I feel like when I use the Arc Trainer, there is more of a "push-off" sensation, like when you propel yourself forward in running. The elliptical feels more up-and-down if that makes sense.
I watched a YT video of a guy demonstrating different ways to use the arc trainer:
(1) One way is to stand upright and balance oneself without holding on to anything, and then use the arms like in a natural running gait. That seems it might be difficult to get a high cadence if the resistance is cranked up to maximum.
(2) The second way can be very intense. The guy held on, braced his shoulders against the machine and pushed with his legs, through the whole body up through the shoulders and arms. That would be difficult to sustain beyond short high intensity repetitions.
Watch this guy, starting at timestamp 4:50, to see what I’m referring to:
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