Though it might surprise you, I’m in agreement with your basic point (not necessarily with your NPC canned statement about white make egos or whatever). I have said before I don’t mind Hiltz running with women, because I think that’s what she is. I have a problem with the inconsistency in how activists use the terms “sex” and “gender” and their inconsistency regarding which one matters in what contexts, and I have a very, very strong suspicion that there’s no such thing as a non-binary human outside of a currently popular fantasy trend by which people take a preference for LOOKING androgynous (which is their choice and something I don’t criticize) and turning it into some deep-down thing where the person is actually, literally, truly androgynous, which is silly and at least potentially dangerous, if it tends to push people toward surgery, hormone replacement, etc. (I don’t know if it does, but I suspect it might, and as I say, that isn’t the main point, the main point is that “non-binary” is not a real thing.)
Hiltz did an interview a while ago where they (whatever) said they are gender fluid. Sometimes they wake up in the morning feeling like a "dude" and other times like a "powerful queen" and other times non-binary. So just by an extraordinary coincidence every morning on a day they're due to compete they wake up feeling like a woman.
Incorrect. I am an avid track fan and left learning with more than one college degree. I saw a tweet from hiltz saying her win was a win for trans people. I didn’t realize she was trans so I immediately came here to try to understand what’s up. My immediate assumption was that she was MtoF and had an advantage. so yes. That conversation happens.
Nah. You’re a poor troll.
This is the laziest reply ever. Guarantee my post is hundred percent true. Sorry if your “enlightened” bubble is so small that you can’t possibly understand that not everyone knows every detail about other single person in the world. Don’t be so close minded.
I, for one, am fed up with all the culture wars that are tearing this country to pieces. Do we real need / want all this BS? We just watched an amazing race and look at what we're talking about. What a waste.
We’re only talking about it because Nikki has been so adamant and angry when people consider Nikki to be a woman and use female pronouns. Nikki created this debate, not anyone else.
Are there openly gay runners who whenever they run we’ll make a big deal about their performance furthering the cause of gay people?
So long as people are in their biological categories, their gender seems irregardless to their sport. Not that they can’t or shouldn’t mention it, but not sure it means anything and needs to be the focus of every performance.
Incorrect. I am an avid track fan and left learning with more than one college degree. I saw a tweet from hiltz saying her win was a win for trans people. I didn’t realize she was trans so I immediately came here to try to understand what’s up. My immediate assumption was that she was MtoF and had an advantage. so yes. That conversation happens.
Incorrect. I am an avid track fan and left learning with more than one college degree. I saw a tweet from hiltz saying her win was a win for trans people. I didn’t realize she was trans so I immediately came here to try to understand what’s up. My immediate assumption was that she was MtoF and had an advantage. so yes. That conversation happens.
Contradictory.
Two quick points to show how moronic your post is.
first in the scheme of global athletics, hiltse is a nothing. I don’t live in North America and I don’t follow tier 2 runners very often. That does not mean that I don’t closely follow a lot of athletics for the last 40 years.
Second I can also be an avid fan of times and placings without knowing anything about the personal lives of athletes.
So, perhaps you should rethink your smug, but ridiculously wrong, comment.
Though it might surprise you, I’m in agreement with your basic point (not necessarily with your NPC canned statement about white make egos or whatever). I have said before I don’t mind Hiltz running with women, because I think that’s what she is. I have a problem with the inconsistency in how activists use the terms “sex” and “gender” and their inconsistency regarding which one matters in what contexts, and I have a very, very strong suspicion that there’s no such thing as a non-binary human outside of a currently popular fantasy trend by which people take a preference for LOOKING androgynous (which is their choice and something I don’t criticize) and turning it into some deep-down thing where the person is actually, literally, truly androgynous, which is silly and at least potentially dangerous, if it tends to push people toward surgery, hormone replacement, etc. (I don’t know if it does, but I suspect it might, and as I say, that isn’t the main point, the main point is that “non-binary” is not a real thing.)
Hiltz did an interview a while ago where they (whatever) said they are gender fluid. Sometimes they wake up in the morning feeling like a "dude" and other times like a "powerful queen" and other times non-binary. So just by an extraordinary coincidence every morning on a day they're due to compete they wake up feeling like a woman.
You’re implying that athletes should compete in gender categories according to how they identify. Should a non-binary male compete in the female category because they feel like a woman that day? Of course not. We segregate athletics by sex, and Nikki is adhering to those rules. Gtfo w/ this rubbish
I don’t understand how it’s this hard for folks to understand that Nikki identifies as non-binary and has preferred pronouns that they would like announcers to use out of respect. It’s no different than calling them “Nikki” rather than their full name Dominique. Simultaneously, the professional running world does not have non-binary divisions in most competitions. Since Nikki is a biological female, they have to compete in the female division despite having a gender identity that is not aligned with the race category. Both things can be true at the same time due to the limitations of the sport. This situation is not difficult to understand, and they’re not asking for special accommodations. I get that the broader topic of trans inclusion is sports is complicated, but this person’s participation in track is not. Please find something more interesting to talk about.
There is no difference between having "preferred pronouns" and having "preferred adjectives".
One should not be able to "identify" as superior, and than ask announcers, "out of respect" to refer to them as superior, and then get upset when announcers don't refer to them as superior, without the rest of the world mocking them. Which is what should be happening to Hiltz and others like her who definitionally are asking for special accommodations.
Hiktz competes in the women's category in running. She can say that she is male or nonbinary or female or whatever. How does Florida stop a female from saying they are male or nonbinary?
You think every race that Nikki is in the announcers should comment that Hiltz isn’t taking testosterone/hormonal drugs?
Someone like Nikki -could- have a legit TUE for some kind of androgen.
And it would be none of our business.
Mainstream TV commentators don't have the responsibility to explain transgender and non-binary, they could easily get it wrong and misinform millions.
They are also having meets and broadcasting into countries that frequently execute LGBT, highlighting someone without their knowledge or consent could get them murdered by the government.
But for those who genuinely want to understand, the key is the other part in that they are non-binary.
Transgender doesn't mean non-binary, they are not interchangeable words.
Many people completely transition to binary, some remain non-binary.
A great example of transgender but not non-binary is 2016 TeamUSA's Chris Mosier
Chris would seem to almost certainly have had a TUE for some kind of androgen, again not our business as it would obviously be WADA approved to be on TeamUSA, not some kind of sketchy doping.
NSFW? Not any more nude than all the dudes constantly running around with their shirts off.
Chris Mosier is a history maker. The duathlete is the first known out transgender athlete to qualify for a U.S. national team and now the first transgender athlete to appear in the Body Issue. Here's more from his shoot.
Interesting how someone can wake up one morning, not "identify" as a woman, but later the same day suddenly "identify" as one, because there's an award plus endorsements to be collected.
Nikki Hiltz set the American record in the mile in the non-binary category. Since NH doesn't identify as a woman how, can NH claim any gender specific record?