Ryan Hall eliminated JUNK MILEAGE

I don't know that you can identify correct or incorrect training except in extreme cases. What I did worked better for me than I ever expected it to. Might there have been something even better? Who knows. Might there have been something Hill could have done that would have produced better results than he got? Same answer. But the goal is to run really fast and win races so I'd be more inclined to think that Hill came closer to getting it completely right than most people did, but again, this is all opinion, ultimately irresolvable and destined to be debated until one of us (and that's usually me) gets tired of it and lets the other have the last word.

I have to believe my own conversations with Ron, what he's written in his autobiography and what he's been quoted as saying in interviews over the decades before I believe you about the one 45 minute run each day. You're the ONLY source for that. Nothing personal.

As to course measurement, I know the procedures now are standardized and were not in the past. But 26.2 miles or 42.2 kilometers is the same distance now as it was fifty or more years ago.

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Clam Evans wrote:

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I think this proves that there is no such thing as junk mileage for a marathoner. To do well at the marathon, you need a LOT of easy mileage as well as some very hard long sessions and speedwork.

I have been saying this before and I get criticized every single time.

Hall truly believes that he is a 2:04 Marathoner. All his workouts (intervals, tempos, LR, etc) are based on calculations of this 2:04. This is the reason why he has never been able to get back into it after Boston 11.

Boston 11 was both blessing and curse.

Ryan Hall has reinstated JUNK MILEAGE

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Nutella1 wrote:

I have been saying this before and I get criticized every single time.

Hall truly believes that he is a 2:04 Marathoner. All his workouts (intervals, tempos, LR, etc) are based on calculations of this 2:04. This is the reason why he has never been able to get back into it after Boston 11.

Boston 11 was both blessing and curse.

You are 100% correct on this.

Nutella1 wrote:

I have been saying this before and I get criticized every single time.

Hall truly believes that he is a 2:04 Marathoner. All his workouts (intervals, tempos, LR, etc) are based on calculations of this 2:04. This is the reason why he has never been able to get back into it after Boston 11.

Boston 11 was both blessing and curse.

unless you have copies of his training logs you're just guessing that this is the case

I don't have copies of his training log, but it seems to me that Hall is very unsure of his training methods. Before each of his marathons, you hear about some completely new method he has tried. Various articles mention unorthodox sessions or plans he uses. He's a great runner with extreme potential, but it seems that Meb's slow but steady consistency is the better recipe for continual improvement. He has changed coaches several times, and never simply says before a race, "Mileage was good, workouts were good, I'm ready." He needs a coach to temper his enthusiasm/inventiveness in training. Just my opinion.

Ryan Hall eliminated JUNK TOP FINISHES.

Sound like Webb.

yeppz wrote:

I don't have copies of his training log, but it seems to me that Hall is very unsure of his training methods. Before each of his marathons, you hear about some completely new method he has tried. Various articles mention unorthodox sessions or plans he uses. He's a great runner with extreme potential, but it seems that Meb's slow but steady consistency is the better recipe for continual improvement. He has changed coaches several times, and never simply says before a race, "Mileage was good, workouts were good, I'm ready." He needs a coach to temper his enthusiasm/inventiveness in training. Just my opinion.

Ryan Hall when coached by T Mahon: "I've just gotta go out there and run my own race."

Ryan Hall when coached by himself: "I eliminated junk mileage, and I think I can win this race."

Kid has an attitude problem.