Yared MF Nuguse does it again - 3:47.38 American record. Let's get him in a WR attempt!!

Brazier.

600m indoors.

Lol!

The should use an existing meet in the US and get a bunch of 3:52 and faster Americans in the race with some good pacers and make a big deal out of an American Record attempt.

The shoe companies can throw in the money.

Deanouk, coming out of you what is this 3:47 mile comment? Steve Cram ran 3:46 outdoors with wind, a monster kick and bad pacemaking 35 years ago? Sebastian Coe breaking 3:30 a couple years removed from his prime. I don't think there's much question that you transport Cram to this era we are seeing something special.

The 3,000 and up are a different story, but let's not pretend that a 3:47 mile or 3:30 1500 is some crazy eye-popping thing when guys were doing it in the 80s under worse conditions with worse equipment.

Nuguse ran 7:28 at BU, so blame the track and the shoes, but 3:47 at Millrose is special. Millrose does not have any specially designed, super springy track. Hoare ran 3:30/3:47 outdoors but 3:50 at Millrose, while Fisher ran 12:53 at BU but 12:46/26:33 outdoors. A lot more guys are running paced races for time now than previously, and they are really taking advantage of their extra COVID years at school, but I don't see the evidence that says these guys run faster indoors than out. Indeed, if you look at the NCAA D1 indoor qualifying list this year, there are 89 sub-4s, which is incredible and well beyond previous years. However, that pales in comparison to the # of sub-4 equivalent times (counting 1500m in 3:42.70 and under) run OUTDOORS last year, 137. So, is it really the indoor tracks? All of them?

If one of his teammates could pace 1100m, I could easily see a 3:28 1500m at BU

He’ll have Hoare in Madrid. That should be mighty fast.

I think his story is fantastic and wish him all the best - BUT you have to wonder how he came very close to the world record CLEAN when so many dirty runners who preceded him gave it their all and never came close.

Like who? The mile record is held by a 5K/10K runner (Kejelcha) for the most part. A 5K/10K guy in Geb used to be near the top of the indoor 1500 list. Samuel Tefera a middling 1500m runner outdoors had that record. If indoors was as fast/taken as seriously as it is now that mile record would be much faster.

You've just set a personal record. The first time you've raised a credible rational point in a thread.

What do you mean indoors isn't taken "seriously"? There have been wr's ever since races have been run indoors and I have yet to see any top runner indicate the surface means the event doesn't matter to them. Some are better suited to it than others but that is a separate question.

It's almost like there's a difference in talent between some runners. Maybe those runners you describe were inferior talents who only got where they were because they were "dirty" (as you assert).

Many athletes don’t run it at all. Many athletes use it as glorified workouts. Many of the greatest ever fit into those two camps - especially milers.

Add Fisher to that list (3000 indoor - brojo announced)

Many also do - and have. I'm not aware that top athletes don't take indoor racing seriously. And why wouldn't they? They race over the same distances outdoors and against much the same competition. And for similar money now. I've never seen it claimed that indoors is a 'B' level competition.

Lmfao