Peaked like a beak wrote:
You just watched Jakobs lifetime best
There are many like you with preconceived notions that just got shattered. It is what it is though, and what we are seeing is a once in a lifetime talent that can very well make history. Don't stress over it. Just grab some popcorn and enjoy the show.
Enjoy the show indeed. Believing these brothers are clean is the very definition of suspension of disbelief.
Scrotevett wrote:
ThatAverageRunner wrote:
He’s 17? You don’t just automically become great from a couple years of training. It’s he consistent buildup over years that makes you good. I’m not saying anyone is or isn’t doping, but simply looking at PRs year to year isn’t a great indicator of doping one way or the other.
You also don’t suddenly become good at the tail end of puberty with no change in coach or partners.
Not sure why you pointed out the importance of consistent buildup. I said the same thing in the post you quoted. Please try to read more carefully.
PR progressions are obviously not enough to start making accusations. But...
Rashid Ramzi 1500m progression
2004 - 3:30.25
2003 - 3:39.30
2002 - 3:44.85
Pretty startlingly similar to Jakob.
ya, and ramzi could have run a WR as well if he had the right race, when he was absolutely peaked.
that guy ramzi was so obvious, just like mcdaddy was juiced to the gills, way over the gills....
elg however while juicing was the real deal...
The Easter bunny wrote:
Enjoy the show indeed. Believing these brothers are clean is the very definition of suspension of disbelief.
Sure thing hasbarat. They were the first clean runners across the line. Believing that E. Africans who avoid out of season testing are clean is the definition of idiocy. Never mind the naive folks who have been trained to believe such. On the rare occasions E. Africans are tested out of season they seem to produce positive tests at startling rates. But that's just part of the conspiracy by the man. LOL
Almost all of the E. Africans are filthy dirty. As in the filthiest athletes ever to step on a track. Most of it's political. And political folks behind this have gone all in after Kiprop was exposed. It's a hoot seeing the results of officials receiving some real big bucks to let certain people cheat. We'll have guys running as fast as Geb, KB, Komen, El G very soon. That EPO is a helluva drug. Money talks. And Westerners are the most naive people on the planet.
The Easter bunny wrote:
Enjoy the show indeed. Believing these brothers are clean is the very definition of suspension of disbelief.
Well, they are. They simply don't have the team around them to avoid testing positive on any test ever, considering how often they are tested.
Qolo wrote:
Honestly, I’d take ventolin/calculo back in a heartbeat if it meant being rid of coevett. At least ventolin was kind of amusing in his eccentricity, and not a confirmed hardcore racist.
Venti was a racist, plain and simple.
Scrotevett wrote:
Jakob Ingebrigtsen 1500m progression:
2018 - 3:31.18
2017 - 3:39.92
2016 - 3:42.44
You are right to be suspicious, I am. But I lost a debate on here last year when I stated that he would struggle to improve on 3:37 in 2018. Someone pointed out his mile 2017 3:56.29 Oslo (NOR) 15 JUN 2017 is really a 3:38 done without pacers tailored for him. He probably was already 3:36 capable last year and Monaco is 2.5s quicker than most tracks. So only a 3s improvement. Still remain suspicious.
You mad? wrote:
casual obsever wrote:
Well, Henrik made it onto the likely doping list, albeit ranked as less suspicious than Kiprop (who was less suspicious than Rupp who was less suspicious than Jager).
"likely doping" is defined per WADA:
"Likely doping: Considering the information within the Athlete’s Passport, it is likely that the Passport is the result the Use of a Prohibited Substance or Prohibited Method and it is highly unlikely that it may be the result of a normal physiological or pathological condition."
So while that is not enough proof to ban them, they are "highly unlikely" to be clean.
First off, Kiprop is not less suspicious than Rupp or Jager. He is a confirmed doper. Second, Henrik is not Jakob. In any case, it has already been stated that Henrik's "suspicious" values came from increased hematocrit than normal and that was after his altitude training. Uh, it's normal that happens to sea level origin runners. That conspiracy theory has already been debunked. The brothers are certainly less suspicious than any of the other top 20 runners.
One page of the Fancy Bears data had Henrik as more suspicious, the other had Kiprop more suspicious. The reality is both were "likely doping."
You mad? wrote:
First off, Kiprop is not less suspicious than Rupp or Jager. He is a confirmed doper. Second, Henrik is not Jakob. In any case, it has already been stated that Henrik's "suspicious" values came from increased hematocrit than normal and that was after his altitude training. Uh, it's normal that happens to sea level origin runners. That conspiracy theory has already been debunked. The brothers are certainly less suspicious than any of the other top 20 runners.
1) Correct, but I was talking about how he was classified by the IAAF in 2016.
2) Correct, but I responded to the poster who talked about "the whole family".
3) Incorrect. You cannot use altitude to explain such a huuge increase that would lead to "likely doping". I already provided the evidence via the WADA rules:
"it is highly unlikely that it may be the result of a normal physiological or pathological condition", because reacting to altitude (which is noted on the test form of course) would be "a normal physiological or pathological condition".
Furthermore, if altitude would cause a "likely doping" label, that list would be 100x as long.
My conclusion remains: So while that is not enough proof to ban them, they are "highly unlikely" to be clean.
Subway Surfers wrote:
One page of the Fancy Bears data had Henrik as more suspicious, the other had Kiprop more suspicious. The reality is both were "likely doping."
^This. Thank you.
And we all know how closely that family works together.
Baked Bread wrote:
klnlk wrote:
Only the 3:31 matters. Only the 3:31.
But none of Bekele’s were at Monaco?
Bekele ran 3:32 and still has the indoor 2k wr of 4:49 so he has perfect speed. If Bekele done his 3:32 in Monaco it would be 3:30.
The Easter bunny wrote:
Enjoy the show indeed. Believing these brothers are clean is the very definition of suspension of disbelief.
Your post epitomises the way everyone is brainwashed by the PED belief.
The Easter bunny wrote:
Enjoy the show indeed. Believing these brothers are clean is the very definition of suspension of disbelief.
17 year old runs almost as fast as Webb’s AR - nothing to see here!!!
here we go again wrote:
The Easter bunny wrote:
Enjoy the show indeed. Believing these brothers are clean is the very definition of suspension of disbelief.
Your post epitomises the way everyone is brainwashed by the PED belief.
There is known rampant PED use by other Norwegian endurance athletes AND they have a nationalized training system. There is no doubt the brothers are on 2x the asthma juice medicine as Galen rupp. Doped to the gils by national doctors.
What your post epitomises is the double standard and racism when it comes to doping suspicion in track and field.
xcswwere wrote:
3:31.18. Filip ran 3:30.01 - so Henrik is now the slowest Ingebritsen
I said Filip is the best Ingerbrigsten right now. He must be so pissed off to run 3:30.01!
Still an astounding run by Jakob at 17 years old. I do wonder how people can doubt a 17 year old Kenyan running 3:31 now when Jakob has just shown it's possible.
I just hope this boy doesn't burn out before he's 20.
here we go again wrote:
The Easter bunny wrote:
Enjoy the show indeed. Believing these brothers are clean is the very definition of suspension of disbelief.
Your post epitomises the way everyone is brainwashed by the PED belief.
I see you, Jon!
I consider myself optimistic in terms of doping, and give most athletes the benefit of the doubt. I've watched some of the Norwegian show featuring the Ingebritsens and while the optimistic side of me sees a kid who has been training at a high level for a very long time with incredible role models and training partners to compete with, I also see a father who appears willing to do whatever it takes for his boys to reach the highest level. I hope for the best because he's a blast to watch compete
Dril wrote:
here we go again wrote:
Your post epitomises the way everyone is brainwashed by the PED belief.
There is known rampant PED use by other Norwegian endurance athletes AND they have a nationalized training system. There is no doubt the brothers are on 2x the asthma juice medicine as Galen rupp. Doped to the gils by national doctors.
What your post epitomises is the double standard and racism when it comes to doping suspicion in track and field.
There have been 6 doping-cases related to Norwegian endurance athletes in the last 25 years, across all sports. Is that what you call rampant?
