Totally Stacked 2014 DL 5k Oslo - Hagos, Dejen, Caleb and Galen - Will Rupp get the American Record??

lRC is right that Rupp is not that great at 5000. I think he is a long shot for the record at any time. I would think Sazar would want him to go for the PR here. He may miss some time this season. I would have him stay close to the front and even maintain the pace a bit when the rabbits drop. He won't get many opportunities to run fast in a non championship year.

dkny64 wrote:

Star wrote:

Why would you need to close faster than 1:57 (which is 12:11 pace) if the pace is fast?

If the last 4 laps are about 4:02 (63,62,60,57), that could put Rupp in a winning position.

splits from Paris 2012 5000m:

Paris - Winning Time 12:46.81

Intermediate Times:

1000m -Ndiwa, Remmy Limo (KEN) - 2:32.73

2000m - Ndiwa, Remmy Limo (KEN) - 5:09.66

3000m - Gathimba, Gideon (KEN) - 7:43.53

4000m - Koech, Isaiah Kiplangat (KEN) - 10:19.54

Last 2 laps: 60.97, 54.66

closing in 60, 57 in that race would have gotten Rupp a nice PR and put him in a battle for 3rd - 6th.

Didn't rupp go 59, 58 in his 10k? Could be the 59 cost him a bit on the last lap. Ultimately he's a race sharper now so he should be ready for faster.

tophtoph wrote:

http://www.diamondleague-oslo.com/en/Live-StartlistsResults/Overview/5000m/?classicview=True

Stacked field and several sub13s, possibly. What do you expect? Jogfest, sit & kick with Alamirew and HG FTW or will they take it out hard? Where do you see Gallen Rupp? Top 3? Any chance to prove better 5k abilities than we all expect? Discuss.

i hope it's not windy as some posters are saying

i'm of belief Rupp is in close to

12'40-flat / 7'20/7'21

shape currently

he will likely lose in a sprint in a slow race, so his best option is to "mooorcroft" it & hammer it from the gun & take over even before 3k if he feels pacers are slacking

he has enough strength to run close to 12'45 in a solo effort ( just a 1-man tt ) which woud beat most anyone in that field ( they don't appear in top shape ) & like i said near/at 12'40-flat if he gets fast, even pace to 3k & solo last 2k

don't be surprised 1 iota if does get close to 12'40, that is sorta ability guy has at the moment

if rupp is on his A game, he'll be able to close with anybody.

rupp's B game is 13 flat.

in the right race, no question the guy can go 5k 1245 ish.

you can't be capable of a sub 3:50 mile and 26:3x 10k and not run really really fast in the 5k.

it is time rupp laid his best 5k down. jaws will drop.

7-20/12-40. lol

rubbish

ya moorcroft. his 13 flat is really a paced 12:50 or better.

but if moorcroft was sick the day of the WR, and he ran poorly, no one would have a clue what he was capable of.

if big M was not injured so much and did not have calf issues, he'd run easily 1245. but of course, there were no races with good pacing back in the day, not for a 12:45.

the list of the big guys ovett, coe, cram could have easily have included elliot and moorcroft.

http://www.insidethegames.biz/bigread/1016229-twenty-five-years-on-peter-elliott-says-his-seoul-olympics-silver-was-his-greatest-achievement-but-it-took-12-years-to-believe-it

Elliott clearly draws satisfaction from the way he managed to achieve top level success while holding down a physically demanding full-time job. "I trained twice a day, which meant getting up at 5.30 in the morning and then training in the dark after work. It was a hard manual job too. But while I was at British Steel I reached the 1984 Olympic semi-final and won Commonwealth bronze in 1986 and a world silver in 1987." .... could have been a lot of gold in there.....

A bit of perspective is needed with regard to the record breaking performances on the Oslo track. The majority of those records were set prior to the Golden/Diamond League era. Opportunities for elite races in Europe during the 70s-90s were limited, so athletes trained specifically to peak for meets such as Oslo. Unlike today where they can cruise through an entire Diamond League series at around 90%. Kristiansen, Aouita, Coe, Moorcroft, Walker etc, all peaked for Bislett. Göteborg in Sweden is a shit track but still was able to pull off a successful mile record attempt due to months of preparation designed to specifically peak at that event. Oslo was the event everyone wanted to race. It was the prestige European meet of the year at that time. Thus the chance of there being a record breaking performance was higher. It's not a slow track, but it's nothing special either. It can be very weather dependant.

ventolin^3 wrote:

i hope it's not windy as some posters are saying

i'm of belief Rupp is in close to

12'40-flat / 7'20/7'21

shape currently

he will likely lose in a sprint in a slow race, so his best option is to "mooorcroft" it & hammer it from the gun & take over even before 3k if he feels pacers are slacking

he has enough strength to run close to 12'45 in a solo effort ( just a 1-man tt ) which woud beat most anyone in that field ( they don't appear in top shape ) & like i said near/at 12'40-flat if he gets fast, even pace to 3k & solo last 2k

don't be surprised 1 iota if does get close to 12'40, that is sorta ability guy has at the moment

Have you been drinking again?

Tsk Tsk

longjack wrote:

if rupp is on his A game, he'll be able to close with anybody.

rupp's B game is 13 flat.

in the right race, no question the guy can go 5k 1245 ish.

you can't be capable of a sub 3:50 mile and 26:3x 10k and not run really really fast in the 5k.

it is time rupp laid his best 5k down. jaws will drop.

Agree with this post, and let's not forget 7:30 for 3K. Hopefully all is good at home and he has a relatively clear head going into this. I have to say, it would have been better to have his wife due in the fall!

yes seriously. his wife being preggers with TWINS seems to be a big threat to his summer track plans. if she was only having one, it would be a lot more viable for her to take care of the kid alone, but it doesn't seem possible with two. although i'm sure they can afford a nanny or two to help out.

maybe Rupp is gonna stay off of the track and put in some training for a fall half?

Dwayne wrote:It was the prestige European meet of the year at that time

zurich was always top meet back then

oslo was effectively 1st big meet of the year - that's why it was so popular/impressive for times

now it's 4th or 5th diamond league meet in & less peaking for it

ventolin^3 wrote:

i'm of belief Rupp is in close to

12'40-flat / 7'20/7'21

shape currently

he will likely lose in a sprint in a slow race, so his best option is to "mooorcroft" it & hammer it from the gun & take over even before 3k if he feels pacers are slacking

he has enough strength to run close to 12'45 in a solo effort ( just a 1-man tt ) which woud beat most anyone in that field ( they don't appear in top shape ) & like i said near/at 12'40-flat if he gets fast, even pace to 3k & solo last 2k

don't be surprised 1 iota if does get close to 12'40, that is sorta ability guy has at the moment

can't wait to see ur list of excuses when Rupp doesn't sniff the times you are suggesting.

Why on earth you think he can set the 3k record, and come close to the 5k record, when he is way off the 10k record, despite the 10k *CLEARLY* being his best event, is beyond me.

Vent isn't claiming Rupp will run 12:40 for 5k in this race [or any race]. He's saying that at this moment under perfect conditions - perfect weather, perfect track, perfect pacing - Rupp could run 12:40 for 5k. Not at all the same thing. More generally, Vent thinks that the WRs at distances from 3k - 10k are significantly softer than the 100m and 200m records + somewhat softer than the 400m, 800m and 1500m records. Not because the people who hold those 3k-10k records weren't great runners but because track races at those distances are almost never run with ideal pace-making.

This all finally made sense to me this weekend when I watched Bekele's 5k WR race + looked at Vent's "equivalent times" chart [which I can't seem to find at the moment.] In Bekele's WR run, he only got pacing to 2k in 5:05, then had to front run the rest of the race.

Depends. The more medical conditions Rupp has the better chances he has.

exactly

the kennster couda probably gone 12'34 that day with perfect even pace ( 57+ finish ) + help to 3k

komen ran his 7'20 off tired legs ( 13'02 from 44 hours earlier ) + suicidal start of 57-high which put him behind 8-ball from start

fully rested + sensible start he couda gone 7'18

if/when Rupp goes 12'40 &/or 7'20/7'21 in perfect race it woud still put him long way behind those 2 legends for intrinsic ability, but those times woud still be near/at wr marks due to racing's imperfect nature

Vent: Would you mind re-posting the link to your equivalent times chart? [I can't seem to find it.]

p.s. You mentioned not having to update it, but I'm afraid you do since iirc it tops out at 9.60 for the 100m and 19.20 for the 200m.

i'm on a tablet & not in favorites

just do a letsrun search for past 3 days for "worksheet"

you'll find it easily

as for updating upper end of tables, i think 9.60 & 19.20 is more than fast enough for any human to contemplate !!!

managed it

https://2008olympictrialsakatommyleonard.shutterfly.com/filecabinet

go to "Ventolin worksheet"

Plan is for 12:51, 7:44 for 3k

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