Totally Stacked 2014 DL 5k Oslo - Hagos, Dejen, Caleb and Galen - Will Rupp get the American Record??

I think they run a good pace but it lags on the middle from about 2-3.5k. Winning time 12:54-12:57, Rupp runs 12:59-13:02.

Idk where I'm getting those numbers from, but I want to see how close my guess is after Wednesday.

I see a pretty hard effort coming from the runners for this one, and Rupp getting edged out at the finish ending up 2nd or 3rd in about 12:51. New AR. No way he finishes more than 5 seconds behind the winner at this point (after that 10k).

Will be interested to see how well Sindre Burras does in front of the home crowd. For them, Ingebrigtsen is now pretty much world class, hopefully Burras can get there too.

PR for Rupp. I'm not sure about his last lap speed at present, but with a decent pace he will PR. Maybe he'll surprise and be able to show us his 2012 kick again!

Winner will likely be low 50's in my books, maybe just dip under.

I'll call winner in 12:49 with Rupp second in 12:50

That's quite a field. It would be cool if the race played out like Paris 2012 and a bunch of guys finished under 12:50. 9 of the guys listed have 5000m PRs under the AR + Ndiku is probably capable of sub 12:50, so if the race is fast, it's possible Rupp could set the AR and finish 10th.

I had to think of Paris, too. Let's assume Salazar "asks for a fast pace", AR seems likely then. Winner sub 12:50, Rupp 4th or 5th. Hope that my fellow German Arne Gabius finds someone to run with too. PB is 13:12 and ran a 27:55 in Stanford. His recent 3k was terrible, but he always has his ups and downs through the season. He needs a 13:35 to qualify for Europeans.

I'd love for it to go like DL Paris and see if Rupp is ready for a sub-12:50, but lately the races have been fairly slow. Is there more prize money this year? I suppose there are no bonuses for times/meet records/national records.

Rupp could possibly be as much as 2 seconds off lead if he hasn't tuned his kick yet, and hopefully will see at least a 12:51. If someone did keep the pace to 12:46-48 I'm sure Rupp can hang.

Hopefully Lomong and Bumbalough can also see big PRs.

Rupp has not run many European races in his career.

I'd like to see what he can do with a few 5000m races overseas in one season. The AR is his for the taking.

I see Rupp finishing in the top 3 here.

He can win it, actually.

Would not be shocked.

Star wrote:

Rupp has not run many European races in his career.

I'd like to see what he can do with a few 5000m races overseas in one season. The AR is his for the taking.

I see Rupp finishing in the top 3 here.

He can win it, actually.

Would not be shocked.

I'll be shocked if he wins it. To do that he's going to need to run his last 800m a heck of a lot faster than 1:57.

Bislett is considered to be a slow track. Always headwind.

Winning time of 12:58. Rupp 12:58.

Gebremeskel for the win.

Rupp 3rd place +-.

Low 13, 13:07 I guess.

yyy wrote:

Bislett is considered to be a slow track. Always headwind.

Winning time of 12:58. Rupp 12:58.

That's kind of a let down. Lets hope for stranger than usual weather and no wind!

Why would you need to close faster than 1:57 (which is 12:11 pace) if the pace is fast?

If the last 4 laps are about 4:02 (63,62,60,57), that could put Rupp in a winning position.

currently i don't see enough pacers there. robertson is a frontrunner but he won't go sub 13 pace.

As of now its more of a 13:05 race

Star wrote:

Why would you need to close faster than 1:57 (which is 12:11 pace) if the pace is fast?

If the last 4 laps are about 4:02 (63,62,60,57), that could put Rupp in a winning position.

splits from Paris 2012 5000m:

Paris - Winning Time 12:46.81

Intermediate Times:

1000m -Ndiwa, Remmy Limo (KEN) - 2:32.73

2000m - Ndiwa, Remmy Limo (KEN) - 5:09.66

3000m - Gathimba, Gideon (KEN) - 7:43.53

4000m - Koech, Isaiah Kiplangat (KEN) - 10:19.54

Last 2 laps: 60.97, 54.66

closing in 60, 57 in that race would have gotten Rupp a nice PR and put him in a battle for 3rd - 6th.

yyy wrote:

Bislett is considered to be a slow track. Always headwind.

Winning time of 12:58. Rupp 12:58.

A few people have run 12:52 there so it is a slow venue.

The women's 5000m world record was set at Oslo the last few times.

A number of men's 5000 and 10,000 m world records have been set there.

It's probably the most prolific track in history for setting distance records.

Geb, Sigei, Ondiekei (first ever sub 27), Aouita , Moorcroft, Ron Clark all set 5 and 10 records there.

Plus Coe set an 800 record there.

Indgrid Kristiansen set a number of 50 and 10 records there.

Slow track?

No jogfest/sit and kick. That's for championships. This is Diamond League with pacers. Whether the pack goes with pacers is anybody's guess, but I suspect more than a few want a fast time, including Rupp. Kenyans who ran their trials won't be in their best form so Rupp's main competition will be the Ethiopians. Here's hoping the pack goes with the pacers and the winner is in the 12:40s. Also hoping Rupp has a good kick for once at 5k. If the pack goes with the pacers I think the American record's gone.

dkny64 wrote:

splits from Paris 2012 5000m:

Paris - Winning Time 12:46.81

Intermediate Times:

1000m -Ndiwa, Remmy Limo (KEN) - 2:32.73

2000m - Ndiwa, Remmy Limo (KEN) - 5:09.66

3000m - Gathimba, Gideon (KEN) - 7:43.53

4000m - Koech, Isaiah Kiplangat (KEN) - 10:19.54

Last 2 laps: 60.97, 54.66

closing in 60, 57 in that race would have gotten Rupp a nice PR and put him in a battle for 3rd - 6th.

And that was the fastest race in the world over the last 8 years.

Doesn't mean every major meet has to be run like that to win.

Star wrote:

dkny64 wrote:

splits from Paris 2012 5000m:

Paris - Winning Time 12:46.81

Intermediate Times:

1000m -Ndiwa, Remmy Limo (KEN) - 2:32.73

2000m - Ndiwa, Remmy Limo (KEN) - 5:09.66

3000m - Gathimba, Gideon (KEN) - 7:43.53

4000m - Koech, Isaiah Kiplangat (KEN) - 10:19.54

Last 2 laps: 60.97, 54.66

closing in 60, 57 in that race would have gotten Rupp a nice PR and put him in a battle for 3rd - 6th.

And that was the fastest race in the world over the last 8 years.

Doesn't mean every major meet has to be run like that to win.

This field includes basically all of the top guys from that Paris 2012 race, so if this race is run similarly to that race, I think it's going to take about a 1:55 closing 800m to win. And if the pace is slower, it will probably take something even faster than a 1:55 close to win.

Rupp has shown that kind of closing speed at times, but I'm not sure he has it right now, nor am I sure he's ready to kick off of 10:20 at 4k if that's the way the race goes.

Anyway, I hope it's a fast race and that Rupp breaks the AR + proves able to compete at 5k with the best in the world. If Rupp wins this race, he goes from being a 10k guy who also runs the 5k to being a legit threat to win major titles at 5k as well as 10k.