Strange situation. Our top three are:
1) a non-binary
2) a burrito babe
3) a banned drug cheat
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Why doesn’t a journalist simply ask them the question? I am 100% honest. I do not know the answer.
How do they feel about their event being called the women 1500m, when it is clearly not limited to women?
How do they feel about this archaic word being used to describe their event?
What name/label would they want us to use for the event?
Is this so hard? This would end all the guessing and speculation.
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Zzxc wrote:
Why doesn’t a journalist simply ask them the question? I am 100% honest. I do not know the answer.
How do they feel about their event being called the women 1500m, when it is clearly not limited to women?
How do they feel about this archaic word being used to describe their event?
What name/label would they want us to use for the event?
Is this so hard? This would end all the guessing and speculation.
Letsrun's Jon Gault would be the only one with the balls to ask.
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Of course she was born female and should compete in the female division. However, she claims she is not a she. Therefore it is perfectly fine for people to question her.
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ItsAboutRespect wrote:
I don’t understand how it’s this hard for folks to understand that Nikki identifies as non-binary and has preferred pronouns that they would like announcers to use out of respect. It’s no different than calling them “Nikki” rather than their full name Dominique. Simultaneously, the professional running world does not have non-binary divisions in most competitions. Since Nikki is a biological female, they have to compete in the female division despite having a gender identity that is not aligned with the race category. Both things can be true at the same time due to the limitations of the sport. This situation is not difficult to understand, and they’re not asking for special accommodations. I get that the broader topic of trans inclusion is sports is complicated, but this person’s participation in track is not. Please find something more interesting to talk about.
Because no one need to participate in your world view. I grew up with gender dysphoria and I think non-binary ideology is being forced today. No one should be required to accept a cult world view.
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The question is not about gender identity, politics blah blah bulls**t - i couldn't care less.
But if her being trans means she takes drugs that give her an advantage it does seem pretty relevant.. i don't see any point at all in women's races if the top 3, top 5, top 10 all eventually become half-men. Anyone participating should at least clearlystate which if any drugs they are taking.
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We’re going to need you to define what a woman is and what a man is.
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Really well done by Nikki. I wonder what the SRY status is.
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So many losers with the same “jokes” over and over. No wit, no originality.
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SuicidePace wrote:
This is a serious question, not trolling. I'm kinda lost on some of this gender identity and records. If a person does not identify as a specific gender do they care about breaking a gender specific record? Are they happy or upset because they are being gender labeled for a record? I believe in the past they have complained about announcers using the wrong pronouns, so it seems they would be upset about breaking a American "women's" record? Crazy times
Perhaps what "they" did should be called a non-binary record, not a record for women.
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same as it ever wuz wrote:
So many losers with the same “jokes” over and over. No wit, no originality.
Idk I lol every time
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coachcommentsnicely wrote:
same as it ever wuz wrote:
So many losers with the same “jokes” over and over. No wit, no originality.
Idk I lol every time
I don’t doubt that.
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Manic hypo wrote:
Niki rubs people the wrong way because Niki insists everyone use plural pronouns when talking about Niki. But Niki doesn’t use plural pronouns when referring to Niki. Niki uses “I” and “my”. Hypocrisy! Also, competing in the women’s section, claiming women’s records, etc. hypocrisy! Niki demands considerations that Niki doesn’t follow.
This is correct. When she starts saying "we" or "our" when referring to herself I'll pay a little more attention to what she demands. No one should call her "they" until she does it herself.
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I feel like Hiltz is just trolling everyone by being a biological woman running in woman’s division but getting “angry” if people call her a her instead of a they
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same as it ever wuz wrote:
coachcommentsnicely wrote:
Idk I lol every time
I don’t doubt that.
Me: congrats on setting the women’s American record!
Any other female athlete & their fans: thanks!!
Nikki Hiltz & her fans: Noooo!! You can’t just say that!! It’s so nuanced!!
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rhcp wrote:
The question is not about gender identity, politics blah blah bulls**t - i couldn't care less.
But if her being trans means she takes drugs that give her an advantage it does seem pretty relevant.. i don't see any point at all in women's races if the top 3, top 5, top 10 all eventually become half-men. Anyone participating should at least clearlystate which if any drugs they are taking.
I really didn't think this had to be clarified, but no, Nikki Hiltz is not taking testosterone or any hormones/drugs involved in transitioning to male. If they were, they would be banned from competition per world athletics rules. Not all people who identify as transgender choose to take hormones to transition. Non-binary is not the same as transgender, and also not the same as intersex. Hiltz is the American record holder in the women's mile, because they compete in the women's category, which is completely fair to do so as they comply with world athletics rules.
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But if she competes in that category, she will be referred to as a woman. What if she demanded to be called "he"? What if she demanded to be called "it"?
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