Is Jakob doping? Well, I can't think of many WR holders who have over a decade of consistently improving results, training with Olympians since age 10, and a reality TV show documenting their life for years. He doesn't seem like the most likely candidate imo.
also doping control in norway is much better than in african countries
Ha ha ha!! Alllll Africans are dopers [ you've all said it many, many times], BUT.... the white kid beats ALL of them, and he yet.... he is CLEAN. And PURE.
I know it sounds crazy, but I’m more confident he will break the 5000 record in the next year or two than the 1500. Heretical, I realize…..
Bonus: I'm tired of super shoes comments. From now on anytime someone says "tHeY wOuLdNt hAvE rUn tHaT fAsT WiThOuT tHe sHoEs" I'm saying the old WR holders wouldn't have run that fast without EPO. El G/Komen set their records before I was even born.
The shoes and lightings you have a proof of it, but do you have a proof about EPO? You are falling in your own criticism.
And all whiners should get themselves super shoes and all doping they can stomach and try to run a 7:54.
What if I hop on a bike will that count too? Or maybe run a downhill course? Or run with a fan blowing at 50 mph behind my back?
You're missing the point dude. Yakob ran absolutely amazing. No doubt. He's clearly the best middle D/distance track runner in the world and one of the best of all time it appears.
BUT......
1] With the new shoe technology , and some new faster tracks , which nearly every expert believes gives today's runners an advantage over those from the past, can we truly compare his times to the likes of Komen, Bekele. Geb and El G ? It does appear he is getting at least a few seconds advantage over them due to the shoes. So we will never know if he truly would have set this record or some others if it were not for this advantage. We will never truly know. Too bad.
2] we've been told over and over and over and over and over again on these boards that all of the fast Africans of the past and present are doping and cheating and their times are too unbelievable to be true and therefore anyone who runs that fast or beats them clearly is a Doper also. But then.... Young white Jake IngyB comes along and trounces them all and even destroys some of the Africans' most sacred records and..... the story NOW is: "wait those insanely fast times *are* possible/believable. He comes from an honest culture and has great genetics and work so hard and does double thresholds. This is different. This is believable! Go Jakob, the slayer of dirty cheating Africans !"
For Christ's sake be consistent. Here are your choices. Feel free to choose some combination that is logical and consistent
A] believe that Jacob is also cheating because these times are indeed too unbelievable. Nothing has changed on human limits.
B] believe Jakob is clean but then apologize to Geb, Bekele, Komen, Kipchoge, El G , Lagat, etc. It doesn't mean that there aren't some cheaters but don't blanketly accuse all of the all-time great Africans of being cheaters if Jakob is as fast or faster then many of them.
C] believe Jakob is clean and that many of those past and present Africans may have dabbled in/ are doping BUT... apparently it doesn't really help that much because clean runners like Jacob [and I don't know... Grant Fisher ] are running faster [or nearly as fast as ] them. So I guess we've made a mountain out of a molehill because clearly doping doesn't even help that much.
D] believe that Jacob is the best in the world and a clean runner AND that most of his competitors today [ and most of the best of the past ] are[/were] ALSO clean.
Then finally also believe that the current shoe technology is what is allowing him to run times better than [ B] anyone in history[/b]. Without it he might be running very close to those records or equaling them but destroying the two mile like that [ a record run by , according to most let'srunners, a huge user of epo] needs an explanation beyond double threshold workouts.
This dude needs to ditch the 15 and focus on the 5k. He could be one of the best ever, if not the best.
Which means he must be doped out of his mind right? I mean you don't think the fastest Africans of all time were clean, do you? We've been told over and over and over again that a great doped Runner always beats a great clean Runner. Easily.
Jakob is a god :) . I remember years ago, he was like 16, and some track professional or something told the guy who runs the website total running productions, that based on his analysis, Jakob would have the potential of running 3:24 1500. He also said that the 5,000 would be his best event. I wish I could find that exact reference. Also in watching all of the Team Ingebrigtsen they were doing some tests on the treadmill and something about that predicted enormous innate capability. We also have to remember that this was a kid who ran 3:31 at 17. Just think of the normal arc of improvement from say 17 to 24 or 25 when a person is in their prime. His ultimate potential is something that we have rarely seen and to add that his confidence is off the scale. In him before he is through we may see something that we have never seen before!
I believe all the following things (you may not; that's fine): 1) Komen's 2-mile record is significantly weaker than his 3k record 2) Even the 3k record, while strong, isn't as crazy as it seems (weaker than the 1500m and 5k records imo) 3) The 2-mile is right in the middle of Jakob's range, and so if he's going to put down a truly monster time, this might be the event where it happens. 4) Jakob is in excellent shape at the moment, as evidenced by his easy win in Rabat, and is just getting fitter 5) Jakob hasn't really gone all-in on record attempts, and there's a big difference between a fast race that he's trying to win versus an explicit record attempt with wavelight. Combining all of this, I am forced to believe that a truly insane time is possible. I'm talking like 7:54, which is not quite as out-there as it sounds (it's 7:21 or 7:22 pace for 3k). Am I predicting 7:54? Of course not. Even Komen just ran 7:20 once. When you're talking a time like that, everything has to go right, and even then it's entirely possible that 7:54 is simply beyond Jakob's ability. But there are rare times when athletes leap beyond what convention wisdom considers possible (e.g. Geb's 12:44, Komen's 7:20, Cheptegei's 2020 races, Radcliffe's 2:15, Coe's 1:41, Kipchoge's first Breaking-2). It's impossible to predict these races in advance, but I think there's a chance (although small) we'll see one here.
On the 9th of June, Jakob will try to beat Komen 7:58 according to an article on FFA (french track and field federation) website, with the help of wavelight for the first time in Paris.Discuss.
I've got to bump my post from a week ago, not because I was "right" (I didn't actually predict 7:54 and even said he had only a small chance of running that fast), but because it's so cool to suggest a crazy time and then turn around to see it actually come true.
Judging from the reactions on that post and other similar ones, it wasn't a minority opinion--a lot of us thought there was a chance of something insane happening. It's a rare sort of feeling to go into a race with the possibility of the world record being not just broken, but absolutely smashed. This is how it must have felt watching Geb run in Zurich 28 years ago.
I saw 4:00… for first mile. That mean 3:53.., for second mile, that is truly Wow, MF Wow!
Fittingly, today in 1965, on a dirt track and no supershoes, Michel Jazy of France sets the Mile world record, clocking 3:53.6 in Rennes, France, and besting Peter Snell's 3:54.1 from November 1964. After the race, Jazy might have had a celebratory cigarette too.
