I don't remember seeing such vitriol when Hobbs Kessler popped a 3:34 1500m despite only having a 4:14 mile PR to his name. I wonder why.
And here comes the racist to tell us there was no vitriol by his kind towards Kessler, while we all remember it. Let's also forget that Kessler did this when he was 18 and not in the mid 20s like this guy. Which sudden leap is more suspect to you?
I don't remember seeing such vitriol when Hobbs Kessler popped a 3:34 1500m despite only having a 4:14 mile PR to his name. I wonder why.
And here comes the racist to tell us there was no vitriol by his kind towards Kessler, while we all remember it. Let's also forget that Kessler did this when he was 18 and not in the mid 20s like this guy. Which sudden leap is more suspect to you?
I went back to check the thread of Kessler running 3:34. There was a grand total of one guy, who looks to be a Jakob fan who felt threatened by Kessler's performance, who insinuated he wasn't clean. Everything else was either praise or super-shoe discussion, which as a whole was peaking at the time.
Contrast that to the reaction here where there are already 5 or 6 comments explicitly accusing Nuguse of doping. You have to be wilfully blind to not notice. Maybe you are.
I don't know about you, but going from a 4:14 miler to a 3:51-equivalent miler is way more suspect than a guy running a 3:30 equivalent his first year as a pro after consistently running 3:34 or thereabouts in college. That's not a sudden leap. From a qualitative standpoint, anybody who has followed Nuguse knows this was in the cards; huge strides, nearly always having an extra gear, and fast times in college with obviously underdeveloped form. He went from splitting his life between pre-med and training to training full-time alongside guys like Hoare, Klecker, and Garcia Romo full-time. You mean to tell me you don't expect significant improvement from that?
His performance at Millrose is only suspect if you understand his career on a superficial level. He even ran a 7:28 3k last week, so what's suspect? The only thing suspect here is your ignorance.
Also, if you're going to hate and accuse Nuguse of doping, then register an account and own your words. Or, you can remain a coward. I'll see you when Nuguse is on the Olympic podium next year.
Dental or medical school is a real grind, but I wonder if it's still in his plans considering the age he'll be when he decides to hang up his boots.
Don’t know why it wouldn’t be, if he cares about it. I made a similar career investment/switch when I was just shy of 40. Gotta remember you may have more working years after 40 than you do between 40 and college.
I've been just trying to comprehend the magnitude of this performance, even after the easy looking 3:56 at altitude in a workout and the 7:28 3k. We have been waiting a long time to have an American, especially a home-grown American, at this level. It is amazing. He had been known as a big talent not long after starting at ND. He graduated high school in Kentucky in 2017 with pr's of 1:54.13/4:06.30 (the "Kentucky Dream Mile")/9:06.44 3200m.
At ND, he was running everyone down in the DMR mile, so we could see the immense talent. He went on to run a then college record (in-season) 3:34.68 1500m as a junior and then a 7:38 college record as a senior. So, we saw tremendous talent, and now he's got one of the best miler-3000m groups in the world, trains at altitude, and can rest instead of study, so he's arrived in a hurry. What was particularly gratifying about his race yesterday was that he closed in sub-26 at that pace, because that combination of fast times and fast closes announces a guy who can really contend for world and Olympic medals.
The world record, however, was lost with that 3/4 quarter in 59.xx, 2:53. Even Webb's 3:46.91 had a 2:50 opening. Jakob and Tim will go through 1200m in 2:46-48. So, it's amazing to see a 3:47 with a 2:53 first 3/4. Also amazing to see essentially three 3:47 milers on one team, as Hoare and Nuguse have both run 3:47 and Romo ran 3:30.20, which converts to 3:47.02.
Growing up in Texas I really don't have a feel for why people get excited about indoor running in Feb. Always thought it was an north east coast thing. But this got even me excited. Great run, great person. Hope good things keep happening as people get outside to race. I think its going to be a great fun outdoor season for track this year!
And here comes the racist to tell us there was no vitriol by his kind towards Kessler, while we all remember it. Let's also forget that Kessler did this when he was 18 and not in the mid 20s like this guy. Which sudden leap is more suspect to you?
...if you're going to hate and accuse Nuguse of doping, then register an account and own your words. Or, you can remain a coward. I'll see you when Nuguse is on the Olympic podium next year.
3:47 & 7:28 are a lot different than 3:34. No one can prove anything. We don't know and aren't reporting it. But Nuguse is running faster than previous cheats, and some of us are skeptical at best.
Was this an actual mile or a 1600? When he crosses the line the broadcast says 3:47.48 thru mile? Did they just have a second FAT somewhere to clock his extra 9 meters?
...if you're going to hate and accuse Nuguse of doping, then register an account and own your words. Or, you can remain a coward. I'll see you when Nuguse is on the Olympic podium next year.
3:47 & 7:28 are a lot different than 3:34. No one can prove anything. We don't know and aren't reporting it. But Nuguse is running faster than previous cheats, and some of us are skeptical at best.
So? Kerr has run a faster 1500m equivalent and Hoare also has a 3:47 mile to his name. Point me in the direction where I can find the same vitriol directed at them.
So? Kerr has run a faster 1500m equivalent and Hoare also has a 3:47 mile to his name. Point me in the direction where I can find the same vitriol directed at them.
You have to understand this is a predominantly American site. If Hoare and Kerr were foreigners like Neguse I'm sure there would be a lot of negativity pointed towards them as well.
3:49-50 without the cheater shoes but still very good.
Agreed. But it's not just the super fast shoes causing these times, it's the trampoline tracks that seem to be springing (pardon the pun) up everywhere, particularly indoors. All these indoor records in multiple events just shows that they can't be taken seriously. In recent years we have these insane performances indoors that are just not replicated by the majority who run them, outdoors in the summer.
3:49-50 without the cheater shoes but still very good.
Agreed. But it's not just the super fast shoes causing these times, it's the trampoline tracks that seem to be springing (pardon the pun) up everywhere, particularly indoors. All these indoor records in multiple events just shows that they can't be taken seriously. In recent years we have these insane performances indoors that are just not replicated by the majority who run them, outdoors in the summer.
* The big jump in shoes has not been over the past five to eight years, the big jump is shoe technology was leather to nylon about 60 or so years ago.
* The big jump in running surfaces was not from red rubber to Mondo tracks, the big jump in track tech was from cinder to various synthetic tracks.
* No one is questioning air quality at indoor meets? Hospitals and airlines can boost oxygen. It's easy to do.
Woah baby. That last 400 was IMPRESSIVE. 54.23 last 440, with a 25.94 last 200. 3:47.38. American record He DESTROYED the field (and his teammates) in the process. Under Armour's Neil Gourley was 2nd in 3:49.46 as Hoare and (3:50.83 NR), Tanner (3:51.70 pb) and Garcia Romo (3:51.79 NR) consoled themselves with PBs or NRs in 3-4-5.
Nuguse is great, but the sport is a joke now with these shoes. Two guys running 7:33? Come on… it’s either great drugs or the shoes.
Agreed. As are 12:51 5ks and 3:47 miles. I think it is a mixture of the shoes and indoor tracks (the fact there are known 'fast' venues proves that not all tracks are equal and that some are clearly faster than others, hence times are not reliable), but drugs could be an issue too. Not surprisingly, very few on here seem to be even raising the possibility. Had 3 Kenyans run thes times there would have been a lot of innuendo.
Will be interesting if they can repeat these times on the European circuit come summer
Didn’t grant fisher run faster outdoors than indoors by 7 seconds? I get the indoor tracks and shoes are fast… but for the people who say it’s faster indoors than outdoors there is one example where people said the same thing after his AR indoors, yet he went out and ran 7 seconds faster outdoors.
The fast times are fun and only further bolster the importance of placing. First is first regardless of the snow tech or track tech. In a way we get to have our cake and eat it too. We see otherworldly fast performances but the weight on competition is definitely higher now that these times mean a little less from a historical context.
Nuguse is great, but the sport is a joke now with these shoes. Two guys running 7:33? Come on… it’s either great drugs or the shoes.
Agreed. As are 12:51 5ks and 3:47 miles. I think it is a mixture of the shoes and indoor tracks (the fact there are known 'fast' venues proves that not all tracks are equal and that some are clearly faster than others, hence times are not reliable), but drugs could be an issue too. Not surprisingly, very few on here seem to be even raising the possibility. Had 3 Kenyans run thes times there would have been a lot of innuendo.
Will be interesting if they can repeat these times on the European circuit come summer
Citing 2 guys running 7:33 as evidence that “the sport is a joke now” is just absurd. Seeing the Olympic 1500 bronze medalist and the WC 5k 4th-placer run 7:33 isn’t surprising at all; it wouldn’t have been unusual 25 years ago and it’s not unusual now.
When Nuguse ran 7:28 2 weeks ago there were people attributing it to the BU track specifically. Now that he’s posted an even more impressive result, it’s broadened to indoor tracks, shoes and/or drugs. Look just beyond the ultra-talented guy who’s exploding in his first year as a pro, and see the Commonwealth Games champ and the WC 4th placer (both with recent 3:30-low PRs) left in his wake. Did it take drugs or “cheater-tracks” for them to run 3:33-3:34 equivalents in their first peak of the year, in which they were gunning for fast times to simulate the outdoor WC final? Or are you just physically repulsed by Nuguse running only .05” slower than Coe’s mile PR?
This is peak american cope and delusion. Guy runs 1 good race and instantly gets proclaimed to be the next ElG. And what is that nonsense about his stride? It's not the 80's, not even biomechanics PHDs know what good stride is, but boomers on letsrun will still convince themselves that they can judge a persons ability purely from their stride.
You could be right but I'm looking with my eyes and I know when I see talent.
He's a natural just like El G.
I did also say time will tell.
Regarding a smooth stride, more WR holders have one than not.
And here comes the racist to tell us there was no vitriol by his kind towards Kessler, while we all remember it. Let's also forget that Kessler did this when he was 18 and not in the mid 20s like this guy. Which sudden leap is more suspect to you?
I went back to check the thread of Kessler running 3:34. There was a grand total of one guy, who looks to be a Jakob fan who felt threatened by Kessler's performance, who insinuated he wasn't clean. Everything else was either praise or super-shoe discussion, which as a whole was peaking at the time.
Contrast that to the reaction here where there are already 5 or 6 comments explicitly accusing Nuguse of doping. You have to be wilfully blind to not notice. Maybe you are.
I don't know about you, but going from a 4:14 miler to a 3:51-equivalent miler is way more suspect than a guy running a 3:30 equivalent his first year as a pro after consistently running 3:34 or thereabouts in college. That's not a sudden leap. From a qualitative standpoint, anybody who has followed Nuguse knows this was in the cards; huge strides, nearly always having an extra gear, and fast times in college with obviously underdeveloped form. He went from splitting his life between pre-med and training to training full-time alongside guys like Hoare, Klecker, and Garcia Romo full-time. You mean to tell me you don't expect significant improvement from that?
His performance at Millrose is only suspect if you understand his career on a superficial level. He even ran a 7:28 3k last week, so what's suspect? The only thing suspect here is your ignorance.
Also, if you're going to hate and accuse Nuguse of doping, then register an account and own your words. Or, you can remain a coward. I'll see you when Nuguse is on the Olympic podium next year.
