Official 2017 BMW Berlin Marathon Thread

It was good, but I'm glad I watched it in the morning. If WR fell, I would have liked to see it live.

Anyone got a working link for a stream/download of the replay in English (hte most excellent Stuart Storey !) that was here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkHd0_ZFkGs - I have it in my Chrome cache in 360p but can't seem to find a way to download it in spite of reading up...

Mkenya Daima wrote:

jacob Aliet wrote:

I wonder what Kimetto is thinking right now!

The man is rich. Was with him a few weeks ago. Not even a little bit worried about the world record or who smashes it. As long as he continues to collect good Adidas money, he is happy. And there is a good chance he bounces back this fall.

Yep, looks like he's getting the last laugh so far...about this fall, wasn't he supposed to run Chicago ? He's no longer mentioned here :

but then neither is Rupp, that was the previous info

I think that the effect of the wet roads was significant beyond traction (and traction definitely was a factor). If you run in a group like that, you get lots of road spray coming up from the runners around you, wetting your shoes. In addition, there definitely were some puddles, and even if you can avoid those (hard when running in a pack), the splashing from competitors around will eventually get your feet wet.

Extra weight on your feet has a huge impact on running economy. I won't speculate how much water was picked up in the race, but I know it can amount to a few ounces or more. I would venture to say this would have been a WR on a dry, cool day.

retarducolus wrote:

ok. Now that this farce is over, who are the rest of the top 20 finishers? I want to see who the top non-doped runners are.

Exactly was Kawauchi running? What about that other Japanese dude who vowed to go out with the leaders to halfway?

I will give them a minute. Calculo gives them 4.

If Kipsang withdrew at 30 KM due to stomach issues and not injury or fitness, is there any chance he might do New York again this year? Would that give him enough time to recover for London?

Maybe he does Tokyo again this year?

ZidaneValor wrote:

If Kipsang withdrew at 30 KM due to stomach issues and not injury or fitness, is there any chance he might do New York again this year? Would that give him enough time to recover for London?

Maybe he does Tokyo again this year?

2018 London will be watered down to guarantee homeboy, Mo Farah wins the race. Therefore no Bekele, Kipchoge and Kipsang in London next year. To be invited will be Stanley Biwott, Emanuel Mutai and some 2:08 runners. Defending champion Daniel Wanjiru will be paid a handsome figure not to show up with an excuse of an injury.

That leaves Tokyo and Boston as options for Kipsang and Bekele likely going for Dubai. Those three are rich enough to forfeit Marathon Majors points in order to chase World records elsewhere like in Rotterdam. Race directors outside the marathon majors should provide a good bonus for a world record and these guys can go there and chase fast times.

That would be Yuta Shitara, finished 6th in 2:09:02 , fastest non-African. He ran between the first and second group, splitting 1:02:57 / 1:06:05. Kawauchi didn't run Berlin.

I'm sure someone has already said it but this thread needs to be re-titled "Eliud MF Kipchoge".

I've seen lots of top marathons in my life and I was thinking "de Castilla vs. Igangaa" back in 1982. Then the fear/paranoia set in and I started thinking about Shorter in Montreal in '76 when he was heavily favored and Cierpinski came out of nowhere.

I want a poster of Eliud when he was smiling late in the race when he calmly responded to the surges. I'm gonna get one made from a snap of the video re-play on NBC Sports Gold. Walgreen's will make posters for you at a reasonable price.

Not a WR, but Performance of the Year in my opinion. Just scintillating.

Kipchoge is the GOAT wrote:

I think that the effect of the wet roads was significant beyond traction (and traction definitely was a factor). If you run in a group like that, you get lots of road spray coming up from the runners around you, wetting your shoes. In addition, there definitely were some puddles, and even if you can avoid those (hard when running in a pack), the splashing from competitors around will eventually get your feet wet.

Extra weight on your feet has a huge impact on running economy. I won't speculate how much water was picked up in the race, but I know it can amount to a few ounces or more. I would venture to say this would have been a WR on a dry, cool day.

+1

don't discount it wrote:

[quote]Kipchoge is the GOAT wrote:

I think that the effect of the wet roads was significant beyond traction (and traction definitely was a factor). If you run in a group like that, you get lots of road spray coming up from the runners around you, wetting your shoes. In addition, there definitely were some puddles, and even if you can avoid those (hard when running in a pack), the splashing from competitors around will eventually get your feet wet.

Extra weight on your feet has a huge impact on running economy. I won't speculate how much water was picked up in the race, but I know it can amount to a few ounces or more. I would venture to say this would have been a WR on a dry, cool day.

+1

++1

Word on the street is that Ryan Hall is thinking about a big 'thon comeback after watching the Berlin 'thon.

He'll be watching closely how Rupp does in Chicago. If he can't muster a sub 2:08 then Hall may ask his old coach Mahon to meet him in Mammoth.

He'll need to get skinny again and maybe have a Burning Bush moment with God to get his T-levels back.

Expect Great Things...

MAGA

El Keniano wrote:

Scenes like these make be proud to be a fan of athletics from Kenya. Sports bars in other countries are for football, F1 and even golf. Never marathons.

Go to Japan some time and get back to us on that.

They didn't water down London last time Mo ran.

London will invite sub 2:05 runners

Interesting that years ago they used to always say rain was ideal in s marathon as it cools you, now ia bit of drizzle is a disaster!

They used to say it was less painful, I think?

Sub 2 is indeed a long way still...it felt somewhat closer after Monza but you realize now that we are still at least + 2min o a good day.

Also...shoes have no impact as it looks. What was Adola wearing?

I was watching highlights of the Roma-Osita half that Adola won in 59:18 and the announcers said he was making his marathon debut in Hamburg (late April). He was listed in the press release of the elite field but then never started (checked the race video on youtube and the leaderboard splits and no sign of him).

I wonder what happened with Hamburg? He did run the Ethiopian 10K trials in Hengelo in June, so maybe he decided to try for that instead? ... ended up way back in 28+, but did go through 6K with the lead group on about 27:30 schedule.

mikey666 wrote:

Sub 2 is indeed a long way still...it felt somewhat closer after Monza but you realize now that we are still at least + 2min o a good day.

Also...shoes have no impact as it looks. What was Adola wearing?

+1

No idea but he had an adidas shirt.

Another giver of +1 wrote:

mikey666 wrote:

Sub 2 is indeed a long way still...it felt somewhat closer after Monza but you realize now that we are still at least + 2min o a good day.

Also...shoes have no impact as it looks. What was Adola wearing?

+1

No idea but he had an adidas shirt.

Looks like he had the latest grey Adios Boost 3. He wasn't listed as being entitled to the "Sub 2" shoes like Kipsang, Kandie and Makau (DNS). He'll get them next time for sure !