Did we get an update on if he’s entering?
Would it be his first 10,000?
Nico Young is a Distance God and he wants to run The TEN next weekend and the 10,000 at USAs
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There won\'t be more than 3 wrote:
4:20 is not that fast wrote:
Whoops. Meant 5000 and 10000m.
Thought that's what you meant. Not sure that's the case. I suspect better at 5000. We just don't know how well suited to the longer event he is yet. I think Fisher is the opposite, as is Monson. They're favorites for the 10k team in my mind. Kelati and Klecker too. They seem to me to be more slow-twitch and aerobically gifted vs. fast-twitch and anaerobic. But what do my guesses mean? I don't know....
Maybe Young's physiologically perfect for the 10. We could find out soon. At any rate, 27 flat is a very tall order.
For sure, Young is a strength runner. His big breakthrough this year is from gaining fitness and not from miraculously improving his top-end speed. His strong finishes in recent races is from having more left in the tank when it counts.
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Kobbs Hessler wrote:
God is only capitalized when referring to the one true God. "A distance god" gets no capitalization.
This is correct about God.
As for Nico he is a good runner and seems like a great guy but what's this God stuff? Is he going to break the world record? Is he going to achieve something on a world stage that has never been done before? Very exaggerated it seems here.
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There won't be more than 3 wrote:
How much elegibility does he have left? Just like a BYU runner, he's subject to the same rules that Eyestone can't get around. 4 seasons of each. Does he have just one outdoor season left?
Young has two more seasons of Outdoor, and 1 more of XC and Indoor left. He started running for NAU in 2020 Fall, so he has run 2021 Covid, 2021 for real, 2022, 2023.
Per Covid rules, he has run in 4 XC and Indoor and then 3 Outdoor. He is allowed 5 years of each.
So if he wanted to, he could stay one more year at NAU. But considering OKST's dominating XC roster, he should probably just go pro when his stock is highest instead of staying just for a runner up XC finish and track.
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dustdevil wrote:
michiganrunner58 wrote:
I agree the title of this thread should be banned. There is only one God...Nico should probably go pro. I am sure if he runs anything under 27:10 for 10000m if he runs at the 10,the offers will be coming in
Why should he go pro? College kids are pros now. He can stay in school, take online classes next year when it is not an Olympic or WC year and still make a poop load of cha ching. I would assume he's staying in Mike Smith's camp anyway. As we approach 2028 for the games in LA and he could become one of the faces of USA Track and Field....more NCAA titles, records, etc. would be better marketing for him anyway.
He doesn't need to stay in college athletics just to gain more championship titles. Even though he hasn't grabbed that many, he'll probably win outdoor 5k and 10k and he's certainly proven he's reached the pinnacle of NCAA performance. Right now he's beyond his competition (hopefully Blanks can come back for outdoor but honestly, he's not going to just step back in at the same level he was in December) As far as XC goes, he could still go for an individual title but looking at the roster, NAU is lacking the depth right now for team title.
On the flip side, going pro makes complete sense especially if he makes the Olympic team in 5 or even 10. If he can compete closely with Fisher at the TEN, then I think it's a no brainer.
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Bufferlo wrote:
dustdevil wrote:
Why should he go pro? College kids are pros now. He can stay in school, take online classes next year when it is not an Olympic or WC year and still make a poop load of cha ching. I would assume he's staying in Mike Smith's camp anyway. As we approach 2028 for the games in LA and he could become one of the faces of USA Track and Field....more NCAA titles, records, etc. would be better marketing for him anyway.
He doesn't need to stay in college athletics just to gain more championship titles. Even though he hasn't grabbed that many, he'll probably win outdoor 5k and 10k and he's certainly proven he's reached the pinnacle of NCAA performance. Right now he's beyond his competition (hopefully Blanks can come back for outdoor but honestly, he's not going to just step back in at the same level he was in December) As far as XC goes, he could still go for an individual title but looking at the roster, NAU is lacking the depth right now for team title.
On the flip side, going pro makes complete sense especially if he makes the Olympic team in 5 or even 10. If he can compete closely with Fisher at the TEN, then I think it's a no brainer.
Do you not think Blanks will return to finish his degree? He's said it multiple times...
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Hobby10k wrote:
There won't be more than 3 wrote:
How much elegibility does he have left? Just like a BYU runner, he's subject to the same rules that Eyestone can't get around. 4 seasons of each. Does he have just one outdoor season left?
Young has two more seasons of Outdoor, and 1 more of XC and Indoor left. He started running for NAU in 2020 Fall, so he has run 2021 Covid, 2021 for real, 2022, 2023.
Per Covid rules, he has run in 4 XC and Indoor and then 3 Outdoor. He is allowed 5 years of each.
So if he wanted to, he could stay one more year at NAU. But considering OKST's dominating XC roster, he should probably just go pro when his stock is highest instead of staying just for a runner up XC finish and track.
Winning the NCAA XC race would be better than a team win. Harvard got 15th place last year, but Blanks’ win was still a big deal.
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Hobby10k wrote:
There won't be more than 3 wrote:
How much elegibility does he have left? Just like a BYU runner, he's subject to the same rules that Eyestone can't get around. 4 seasons of each. Does he have just one outdoor season left?
Young has two more seasons of Outdoor, and 1 more of XC and Indoor left. He started running for NAU in 2020 Fall, so he has run 2021 Covid, 2021 for real, 2022, 2023.
Per Covid rules, he has run in 4 XC and Indoor and then 3 Outdoor. He is allowed 5 years of each.
So if he wanted to, he could stay one more year at NAU. But considering OKST's dominating XC roster, he should probably just go pro when his stock is highest instead of staying just for a runner up XC finish and track.
That was my post asking. I didn't realize the Covid extra. So he has one more full year than I thought., but my recollection was accurate about just 1 outdoor if it was just 4 of each. I'm not sure he runs that elegibility out. I wouldn't be surprised if he jumps ship before that. I guess that's what most of you think.
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The Virus wrote:
Hobby10k wrote:
Young has two more seasons of Outdoor, and 1 more of XC and Indoor left. He started running for NAU in 2020 Fall, so he has run 2021 Covid, 2021 for real, 2022, 2023.
Per Covid rules, he has run in 4 XC and Indoor and then 3 Outdoor. He is allowed 5 years of each.
So if he wanted to, he could stay one more year at NAU. But considering OKST's dominating XC roster, he should probably just go pro when his stock is highest instead of staying just for a runner up XC finish and track.
That was my post asking. I didn't realize the Covid extra. So he has one more full year than I thought., but my recollection was accurate about just 1 outdoor if it was just 4 of each. I'm not sure he runs that elegibility out. I wouldn't be surprised if he jumps ship before that. I guess that's what most of you think.
Yeah I don't think there's any chance he runs NCAA Indoor/Outdoor next year. Maybe XC if he wants an individual title or another NAU podium.
If he goes pro, he can just continue training with NAU anyway like what Grijalva does.
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Bufferlo wrote:
He doesn't need to stay in college athletics just to gain more championship titles. Even though he hasn't grabbed that many, he'll probably win outdoor 5k and 10k and he's certainly proven he's reached the pinnacle of NCAA performance. Right now he's beyond his competition (hopefully Blanks can come back for outdoor but honestly, he's not going to just step back in at the same level he was in December) As far as XC goes, he could still go for an individual title but looking at the roster, NAU is lacking the depth right now for team title.
On the flip side, going pro makes complete sense especially if he makes the Olympic team in 5 or even 10. If he can compete closely with Fisher at the TEN, then I think it's a no brainer.
Do you not think Blanks will return to finish his degree? He's said it multiple times...
I believe Blanks is back for senior year no matter what happens this outdoor season and summer.
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Ffff wrote:
There won\'t be more than 3 wrote:
Thought that's what you meant. Not sure that's the case. I suspect better at 5000. We just don't know how well suited to the longer event he is yet. I think Fisher is the opposite, as is Monson. They're favorites for the 10k team in my mind. Kelati and Klecker too. They seem to me to be more slow-twitch and aerobically gifted vs. fast-twitch and anaerobic. But what do my guesses mean? I don't know....
Maybe Young's physiologically perfect for the 10. We could find out soon. At any rate, 27 flat is a very tall order.
27:00 flat is right in line with 13:00 flat. You do have the complications of it not being run often, weather matters a ton, and pacing is a b@tch…
it is funny cause 3 years ago everyone was saying the 10k was too short and he was a marathoner. Now we are worried it is too long….
27 flat for 10k is harder than 13 flat for 5k
That is why only 3 Americans have ever gone sub 27
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Yes and no maybe so wrote:
Ffff wrote:
27:00 flat is right in line with 13:00 flat. You do have the complications of it not being run often, weather matters a ton, and pacing is a b@tch…
it is funny cause 3 years ago everyone was saying the 10k was too short and he was a marathoner. Now we are worried it is too long….
27 flat for 10k is harder than 13 flat for 5k
That is why only 3 Americans have ever gone sub 27
It’s pretty close, though. Maybe 27:05 and Young, at 12:57, should be very close. In addition to Young, I think Kincaid, Klecker and Nur are capable of sub-27.
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Yes and no maybe so wrote:
Ffff wrote:
27:00 flat is right in line with 13:00 flat. You do have the complications of it not being run often, weather matters a ton, and pacing is a b@tch…
it is funny cause 3 years ago everyone was saying the 10k was too short and he was a marathoner. Now we are worried it is too long….
27 flat for 10k is harder than 13 flat for 5k
That is why only 3 Americans have ever gone sub 27
That is not really the reason though. The main reason for more sub 13 performances is due to opportunities. It is not clear to me at all that sub 13 is easier than sub 27. They are very close. Of course if you are a miler type sub 13 is easier. If you are an endurance type like Rupp or Fisher, sub 27 is probably easier.
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Osoe wrote:
That is not really the reason though. The main reason for more sub 13 performances is due to opportunities. It is not clear to me at all that sub 13 is easier than sub 27. They are very close. Of course if you are a miler type sub 13 is easier. If you are an endurance type like Rupp or Fisher, sub 27 is probably easier.
I think it is a little easier. I guess the Q is can you think of a sub-27 guy who could not run sub-13? Maybe a verrry distance-focused Ethiopian/Kenyan? But it feels like you can get there with many sub-13 guys who can’t seem to hit sub-27. Limited opportunities yes certainly.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Osoe wrote:
That is not really the reason though. The main reason for more sub 13 performances is due to opportunities. It is not clear to me at all that sub 13 is easier than sub 27. They are very close. Of course if you are a miler type sub 13 is easier. If you are an endurance type like Rupp or Fisher, sub 27 is probably easier.
I think it is a little easier. I guess the Q is can you think of a sub-27 guy who could not run sub-13? Maybe a verrry distance-focused Ethiopian/Kenyan? But it feels like you can get there with many sub-13 guys who can’t seem to hit sub-27. Limited opportunities yes certainly.
The opportunity issue is huge though. When Pre had a 10000m race, for example, it was providing a huge opportunity, but other than places like Hengelo or Brussels (at least in the past), it just seems like that 5000m race where the pack is hell bent on running a fast time (which is also somewhat rare now) is still much more common than the 10000m counterpart. So you ask a good question but the answer must almost by definition be incomplete when those sub 13 runners haven limited opportunities to break 27. I will stand by the point that it depends on what type of runner you are, and that for some runners sub 27 is easier. Look at Tergat, 12:49 and 26:27. For him, sub 27 was probably easier but again that was Brussels and a fast race.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Osoe wrote:
That is not really the reason though. The main reason for more sub 13 performances is due to opportunities. It is not clear to me at all that sub 13 is easier than sub 27. They are very close. Of course if you are a miler type sub 13 is easier. If you are an endurance type like Rupp or Fisher, sub 27 is probably easier.
I think it is a little easier. I guess the Q is can you think of a sub-27 guy who could not run sub-13? Maybe a verrry distance-focused Ethiopian/Kenyan? But it feels like you can get there with many sub-13 guys who can’t seem to hit sub-27. Limited opportunities yes certainly.
For those who find this subject interesting, read post #53 by Renato Canova in this thread. The man offers an interesting perspective.
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