There are genuine oddities about Valby. Her ability to keep coming back stronger from injury. The fact that she never seems to tire. And her personality from the interview seems odd, even off. Again why is she gunning a 5000m if she wants to double unless she has a reason not to worry about tiring? If she can put monster effort after monster effort without fatigue, that seems unusual.
If you saw the pools of sweat on the UF training room floor after she does a 100 minute workout on the ARC trainer daily, youd know why a 15 min 5k is not a problem.
You must not work out. I am drenched when I push it on the elliptical. I barely sweat when doing an indoor workout except for afterward for a bit. I assume it is from the 12 MPH wind I create.
You must not work out. I am drenched when I push it on the elliptical. I barely sweat when doing an indoor workout except for afterward for a bit. I assume it is from the 12 MPH wind I create.
What are you doing at her work-outs?
But why does someone for whom the elliptical is so much hard work and is drenched with sweat show none of the same on the track?
There are genuine oddities about Valby. Her ability to keep coming back stronger from injury. The fact that she never seems to tire. And her personality from the interview seems odd, even off. Again why is she gunning a 5000m if she wants to double unless she has a reason not to worry about tiring? If she can put monster effort after monster effort without fatigue, that seems unusual.
I was also wondering why she did that tonight with the 3000 tomorrow, but it seems as if she just only has one mode in these races and once she starts cranking that’s it. I don’t think she does much tactical thinking during a race. Valby herself said in the post race interview that her brain is like a ping pong ball out there.
For your doping allegations.. well, it’s incredible what she’s doing, but times are so much faster for everyone now. All those HS kids coming through with times that would have been prodigy-level only a few years back..some using these alternative training methods now too. Maybe, just maybe, there’s something to it (along with shoes etc).
Besides, some people just respond to a training stimulus in an atypical way—and, of course, there’s such a thing as exceptional talent. 14:52 is phenomenal for a 21/22 year old collegiate, sure, but it’s not unbelievable. Zola Budd ran 14:48 at age 19 thirty years ago. Agate Caune ran 8:39 and 15:00 (solo in hot weather) last summer at 18/19. The world record is now 14:00, or ~300 meters ahead of what Valby ran today.
The repetitive doping accusations are the result of petty bitterness and a whole lot of boredom.
It is hard to believe that next year Zola’s 14:48 will be 40 years old. She wasn’t wearing super shoes, was she even wearing shoes?
I just have a question. Why is the women's college 5000 record, so far behind the pro women's 5000 in terms of time?
Interesting perspective.
But, keep it in context of indoor races only and AR vs CR.
Cranny's US indoor 5k record is 14:33 from an all-out time trial effort. Valby now holds the US collegiate indoor record of 14:52 in a championship race running conservatively through 3k. So, 19 second difference -- which would be much smaller if tonight's race was a time trailer -- thus, an apples-to-oranges comparison.
Woody holds the US indoor 5k record of 12:51, again in an all-out time trial. Nico holds the collegiate indoor record in 12:57, again in an all-out time trial. That 6 sec difference is valid since we are now comparing apples to apples.
Given this context, PV put the college indoor record much closer to where it should be -- but can still see some college woman in the (far?) future run in the low-14:40s in one of BU's time trial races.
Note: the 5k isn't run indoors anymore outside the US. So G. Dibaba's 14:18 WR could stand for a long time while Bekele's 12:49 WR likely will be broken by the end of this decade by Grant or Nico or some other US runner.
You must not work out. I am drenched when I push it on the elliptical. I barely sweat when doing an indoor workout except for afterward for a bit. I assume it is from the 12 MPH wind I create.
What are you doing at her work-outs?
But why does someone for whom the elliptical is so much hard work and is drenched with sweat show none of the same on the track?
Are you processing their words at all? They said that they sweat much more on the elliptical than on an indoor track. It’s the same for me. And the Arc Trainer is really as intense as you make it.
Doing 80 minutes on an arc trainer (still, i.e. no “wind” generated) in a stuffy 70 degree gym results in more sweating than a 15 minute race at 12mph on an indoor track in Boston…why is this strange to you?
Anyway, came back to this thread just to mention how as she’s approaching the 1600m point she smiles and gives two thumbs up to her teammate who just took the lead in the LJ competition. I don’t think it’s surprising she’d be feeling fresh at that point, but it does show a ton of relaxation and confidence.
There are genuine oddities about Valby. Her ability to keep coming back stronger from injury. The fact that she never seems to tire. And her personality from the interview seems odd, even off. Again why is she gunning a 5000m if she wants to double unless she has a reason not to worry about tiring? If she can put monster effort after monster effort without fatigue, that seems unusual.
I was also wondering why she did that tonight with the 3000 tomorrow, but it seems as if she just only has one mode in these races and once she starts cranking that’s it. I don’t think she does much tactical thinking during a race. Valby herself said in the post race interview that her brain is like a ping pong ball out there.
She also said her effort level was only a 6 or 7.
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She does look like she’s doing the ARC trainer when she runs. Her form definitely reflects the training she does. For your doping allegations.. well, it’s incredible what she’s doing, but times are so much faster for everyone now. All those HS kids coming through with times that would have been prodigy-level only a few years back..some using these alternative training methods now too. Maybe, just maybe, there’s something to it (along with shoes etc).
There are some good stretches in that 5000m where one can compare Valby’s form with Roe’s form, the latter looking a little more typical with some forward lean, whereas, Valby is more upright, and seems to ‘glide’.
If Valby can progress in building physical strength, she’ll pick up more centimeters per stride length. The other improvement in times for either of them will come from continuing to build aerobic fitness, so that they can ride that LT2 line for longer periods, cranking out repeated sub-69’s.
A major threat in the 5K at Trials. Rooting for her
It would for sure be cool to see her make the Olympic team, but I'm a little worried that her racing style won't work as well against competition at or above her level. She's been winning these races by being much better than her opponents to the point that she can get away with leading the race. But the way she closed today is a good sign that she may have enough closing ability to contend with people close to her level in a championship race. I would for sure like to see that.
Parker could be a best selling author if she would write a book detailing “the Valby method of training.” strike while the iron is hot! Congratulations Parker!
Omg, at 2:52 of the video she is smiling and giving the thumbs up to her team mate who just had a great long jump.
We get an explanation from the post-race video by LRC. Unfortunately, some interview audio is drowned out by background noise. I couldn’t make out what the question was regarding the “trend she started” drinking Kombucha tea, and something about it regarding how much her parent’s…? Maybe I can put the pieces together listening to the interview from other sources.
For your doping allegations.. well, it’s incredible what she’s doing, but times are so much faster for everyone now. All those HS kids coming through with times that would have been prodigy-level only a few years back..some using these alternative training methods now too. Maybe, just maybe, there’s something to it (along with shoes etc).
Besides, some people just respond to a training stimulus in an atypical way—and, of course, there’s such a thing as exceptional talent. 14:52 is phenomenal for a 21/22 year old collegiate, sure, but it’s not unbelievable. Zola Budd ran 14:48 at age 19 thirty years ago. Agate Caune ran 8:39 and 15:00 (solo in hot weather) last summer at 18/19. The world record is now 14:00, or ~300 meters ahead of what Valby ran today.
The repetitive doping accusations are the result of petty bitterness and a whole lot of boredom.
I've been doing Parker Valby Training™ since November. Part of my motivation was to spite those who say she's lying about her training.
The biggest thing I've noticed is the major reduction of fatigue when running. I didn't realize how much jogging around on easy days was banging up my joints. I no longer have any sort of achiness in my joints or muscles. I'm able to do long, hard running workouts and surprise myself with my pace and consistency every time.
Parker could be a best selling author if she would write a book detailing “the Valby method of training.” strike while the iron is hot! Congratulations Parker!
Agree, but at this juncture to spell it out in day-by-day detail would benefit her competitors.
Hopefully her and Leachman are keeping thorough training logs to be released sometime in the future. Her coaches are probably learning a lot from this, as well.
She is obviously seriously competitive to put herself through the training, but said she handles the pressure by not taking it too seriously, as it’s “just hamsters running around a track”…(or something like that).
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