Stop with the Florida is flat and the cold weather is a problem...valby, hertenstein, hicks
Valby in a nice way debunked the hill training issue.
I fully admit, Valby was better on hills than I was expecting. It's not that I thought she couldn't run them well....but I had never seen her run a hilly course well in a race. Full kudos to Valby!!
Rauber, Seymour and Quarzo did finish pretty close together (12 s, 24 places)
but they would not have won with Quarzo as 5th would they? I have to go back to look at places....regardless though, very good race for all 3 of these ladies. I guess GMAck was wrong.
Fact that santos discussed with these guys is kind of silly. His Iona success was with byrne’s teams and off the back of Kenyans before everyone had Kenyans.
Long after Byrne departed Iona, Santos coached two athletes to 3 national titles between them (Avery, Korir x 2), Byrne never had an individual athlete win a title. For his national title, Korir defeated the likes of Sam Chelanga, Stephen Sambu and Shadrack Kipchirchir so clearly there were Kenyans on other teams. Iona have been steadily becoming less relevant on a national level since he left which is also indicative that it is not a layup of a coaching job.
Santos might not have been able to construct a national championship caliber performance for runners 1- 5 at Stanford just yet but don't belittle his success. He is a humble, hard working coach who achieved a lot with little at Iona and just brought home Stanford's first ever individual cross country title.
that'd be a dumb decision. a Stanford degree actually means something, and you'd be throwing it away to go pro early.
NAU athletes, on the other hand, are in a glorified high school.
Why do you even watch any athletics if the only thing that matters is the boutique degree from X institution? If that is what you care about then you should just be reading the college academic and research rankings.
Fact that santos discussed with these guys is kind of silly. His Iona success was with byrne’s teams and off the back of Kenyans before everyone had Kenyans.
Long after Byrne departed Iona, Santos coached two athletes to 3 national titles between them (Avery, Korir x 2), Byrne never had an individual athlete win a title. For his national title, Korir defeated the likes of Sam Chelanga, Stephen Sambu and Shadrack Kipchirchir so clearly there were Kenyans on other teams. Iona have been steadily becoming less relevant on a national level since he left which is also indicative that it is not a layup of a coaching job.
Santos might not have been able to construct a national championship caliber performance for runners 1- 5 at Stanford just yet but don't belittle his success. He is a humble, hard working coach who achieved a lot with little at Iona and just brought home Stanford's first ever individual cross country title.
When you say lot with a little I am mot sure what you mean. He had full number of scholarships which were completely focused on distance and cross country. Because of reputation Byrne had built they are well known in Europe and Africa so high of the list for those guys. He didn’t even coach Kate Avery - she continued to work with her original coach. I’m probably coming off more negative than I intend. I think his success is testament to the fact that at higher levels of NCAA a bad coach is more likely to break an athlete than a good one will make them ie is to take them from 50th ish to top 10. If you get phenoms and keep them chugging along - they are still going to be phenoms. I only posted as knowing guys that ran on Iona late 90s if you asked for predictions on who on the team would coach a top 10 team - not sure santos would have been top 10.
that'd be a dumb decision. a Stanford degree actually means something, and you'd be throwing it away to go pro early.
NAU athletes, on the other hand, are in a glorified high school.
Why do you even watch any athletics if the only thing that matters is the boutique degree from X institution? If that is what you care about then you should just be reading the college academic and research rankings.
Do you have a reading comprehension issue? One can watch and appreciate college athletics solely as an athletic contest, and still have opinions about the value of a degree. And while the poster's "glorified high school" comment is unnecessarily demeaning of NAU, the school is not considered a top flight institution academically.
Athletes in all sports choosing a college make decisions involving the tension between athletic development and potential pro career and post athletic opportunities. Because financial opportunities for distance runners as so limited, I would always advise choosing a brand name institution. So if you can run for Stanford, Harvard, or Notre Dame over NAU, Oklahoma State or New Mexico, you should. And you should graduate.
Why do you even watch any athletics if the only thing that matters is the boutique degree from X institution? If that is what you care about then you should just be reading the college academic and research rankings.
Do you have a reading comprehension issue? One can watch and appreciate college athletics solely as an athletic contest, and still have opinions about the value of a degree. And while the poster's "glorified high school" comment is unnecessarily demeaning of NAU, the school is not considered a top flight institution academically.
Athletes in all sports choosing a college make decisions involving the tension between athletic development and potential pro career and post athletic opportunities. Because financial opportunities for distance runners as so limited, I would always advise choosing a brand name institution. So if you can run for Stanford, Harvard, or Notre Dame over NAU, Oklahoma State or New Mexico, you should. And you should graduate.
Maybe it’s you that needs to look in the mirror. Making a decision to go pro, depending upon circumstances (including economic factors), can end up trumping the alternative of getting a degree ASAP. The length of an athletic career is limited, and can be cut short due to injury.
Stop with the Florida is flat and the cold weather is a problem...valby, hertenstein, hicks
Valby in a nice way debunked the hill training issue.
Huh? Didn't we watch Tuohy take 20 seconds from Valby over last 2 hills.
It's not like Valby died - she beat everyone but Tuohy over the 5th kilometer, and had the 9th-best final kilometer (behind the rest of the top 8 plus Bush).
Parker Valby is not the brightest crayon in the crayon box.
Have you ever spoken to Ms. Valby? FYI, UF isnt and easy school, far more difficult to get into and survive than say NC State, New Mexico, Alabama, OSU, NAU and on and on.
Only reaction regarding McCabe of WV that I have found - no mention of any current issue. "It is very obvious that Ceili will be disappointed with this performance, as no one had higher expectations for this race than her," coach Sean Cleary said. "That said, Ceili emerged from the season healthier than she began it and brings home another First Team All-American."
MORGANTOWN, W.Va. – The No. 29 West Virginia University cross country team competed at the 2022 NCAA National Championship at the Greiner Family OSU Cross Country
Stop with the Florida is flat and the cold weather is a problem...valby, hertenstein, hicks
Valby in a nice way debunked the hill training issue.
Huh? Didn't we watch Tuohy take 20 seconds from Valby over last 2 hills.
Katelyn Touhy is a better runner at 6k than Parker Valby wether its flat as a track, mountains or somewhere in between. Parker Valby trains for hills as she explained in her post race interview, she has run on hills. She was beat by the better runner and not by much.
Degrading the institutions academics is always the go to for losers. So a school like Vanderbilt or Northwestern get their @sses handed to them every year in virtually every sport by their conference foes, and they first thing they go to is "Oh yeah, well OhSt is just the 13th grade!" or whatever.. It's just not relevant to the discussion of sports.
Northern Arizona won the DI men's cross county team title, finishing with 83 points. The Lumberjacks won a tiebreaker over Oklahoma State 3-2. It's the first...
Huh? Didn't we watch Tuohy take 20 seconds from Valby over last 2 hills.
It's not like Valby died - she beat everyone but Tuohy over the 5th kilometer, and had the 9th-best final kilometer (behind the rest of the top 8 plus Bush).
Valby didn't die, she negative split. Which makes Tuohy's close all the more impressive.
I’m not sure why people think tuohy would lose to Valby if she had run the SEC course/on a track.
She’s run 15:14/4:06. I’m thinking if she gets paced evenly at Boston, she could go 14:55. She backed off at the end of the race too.
Another question, why did valby show her cards all season when she could’ve held back, just doing what she could to win, like tuohy, and then drop the hammer at 1k/mile at NCAAs? More people would’ve gone with her and blown up.
Tuohy( and I guess Chmiel too) just did whatever she needed to to win. We didn’t know where the ceiling was.
I guess you before the race you could’ve argued well maybe Parker wasn’t going all out, but I think yesterday proved she was.
