bruh i love what goose/oac is doing but it's a bit premature to be leapfrogging jakob based on one race jakob didn't even enter... incredible performance tho & airing on network tv was cool too
Yeah it’s a totally different race with Jakob. He takes the 1:53 and brings it to 2:49plus. Yared is awesome and I’d like his chances but he doesn’t get to relax in that scenario.
Come on, he's obviously got great potential but "the only guy" who can challenge Jakob? Wightman, Kerr, Cheruiyot, and Katir are all sub-3:30 guys. Let's not forget there's outstanding talent out there even if there's a shiny new thing for us to enjoy
At the moment, none of the guys you mentioned could challenge Jakob as well as Nuguse.
1. With the exception of Wightman, who is injured, that's just conjecture.
2. It's February. The big prizes are handed out in the summer.
Just pumping the brakes a little as OAC came out hot at indoors last year and then largely underperformed at Worlds
For once, I agree. Nuguse might be the only guy to seriously give Jakob a run for his money at the moment.
Come on, he's obviously got great potential but "the only guy" who can challenge Jakob? Wightman, Kerr, Cheruiyot, and Katir are all sub-3:30 guys. Let's not forget there's outstanding talent out there even if there's a shiny new thing for us to enjoy
These other guys have been around for a while and I think we have a pretty good sense of their ceilings. Cheruyiot is on the decline. Yes, just as Wightman did last summer, one of them might pop off and threaten or even defeat Jakob. Yared, however, is just emerging and it seems his talent level is off the charts. He’s only been a pro for 6 months, he’s barely been at altitude and he’s already blowing up. In fact he may well be more talented than Jakob when you think of all the miles and reps Jakob has run compared to Yared. No, Nuguse is the real and I think only serious threat to Jakob’s overall ascendancy over the next few years.
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I think the only thing that kept Tuohy's mile record safe for more than 7 days is that Wiley ran the Big Meet yesterday instead of Millrose. She ran 2:02 with nobody even remotely close to her. Put her in a race with pacers and of the quality of the Millrose field and I think she goes 4:23 today. Roark is probably just holding her back since she is a freshman and there is no reason to challenge the pros yet. I think next year she runs Millrose and might challenge 4:23 flat. Tuohy is better at the 3000 and up but doesn't stand a chance at mile and below. Outside chance of Paris 2024.
These other guys have been around for a while and I think we have a pretty good sense of their ceilings. Cheruyiot is on the decline. Yes, just as Wightman did last summer, one of them might pop off and threaten or even defeat Jakob. Yared, however, is just emerging and it seems his talent level is off the charts. He’s only been a pro for 6 months, he’s barely been at altitude and he’s already blowing up. In fact he may well be more talented than Jakob when you think of all the miles and reps Jakob has run compared to Yared. No, Nuguse is the real and I think only serious threat to Jakob’s overall ascendancy over the next few years.
It’s just a little early. There is an Ethiopian Ermias Girma to keep tabs on. He ran 1:44.36/3:36 last year at age 18. Know what you’re thinking but he doesn’t look 22 or anything. Looks like a Diribe Welteji type talent who will run great at 800-1500. The Kenyan teenager Raynold Cheruiyot is a monster talent, too. I’ll never count out Hocker based on the fact that as an NCAA guy he was better than Mario, Olli, Kerr and Yared by a nice bit. I do buy that Yared was a part-time runner with his studies unlike the other bunch. It does feel unlikely that the ceilings of Hoare, Kerr, Tim, Katir and so on have much more to go up, so they need something to be off. Let’s also not forget Abel Kipsang like Katir might have more untapped potential.
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Great run by the goose! After the 3000 record at BU, he said he ran about 75 a week at Notre Dame and got only about 7 hours of sleep a night due to classes and homework. Now he's running 85 a week at altitude and getting 8+ hours of sleep a night. And he's in one of the best training groups in the world. Wonderful start to his pro career - he's made a huge leap. His problem in college was inconsistency and getting injured. Sounds like lack of rest and recovery. Remember, he DID set the 1500 and 3000 NCAA records. I'm an ex-Domer runner but even I'm pumping the brakes right now. Love the guy, love his running and racing - the way he will take over the pace if he wants to go, go, go. Hope he has a tremendous first year of training and racing and he can get in some fast races in Europe!!
It’s just a little early. There is an Ethiopian Ermias Girma to keep tabs on. He ran 1:44.36/3:36 last year at age 18. Know what you’re thinking but he doesn’t look 22 or anything. Looks like a Diribe Welteji type talent who will run great at 800-1500. The Kenyan teenager Raynold Cheruiyot is a monster talent, too. I’ll never count out Hocker based on the fact that as an NCAA guy he was better than Mario, Olli, Kerr and Yared by a nice bit. I do buy that Yared was a part-time runner with his studies unlike the other bunch. It does feel unlikely that the ceilings of Hoare, Kerr, Tim, Katir and so on have much more to go up, so they need something to be off. Let’s also not forget Abel Kipsang like Katir might have more untapped potential.
Your depth of knowledge is far greater than mine and therefore your perspective much sharper, but the last two races by Yared have been astonishingly good. I have in my minds eye that all these races are going on and Jakob barely notices. He seems so confident, sure he’s better than the rest and can handle whatever they do. I think he’s going to watch these two Yared races and he’s going to notice. Hoare is an experienced and outstanding miler, who appeared to be very fit based on his recent xc runs, etc. Yared just demolished him. I mean really demolished him.
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Come on, he's obviously got great potential but "the only guy" who can challenge Jakob? Wightman, Kerr, Cheruiyot, and Katir are all sub-3:30 guys. Let's not forget there's outstanding talent out there even if there's a shiny new thing for us to enjoy
These other guys have been around for a while and I think we have a pretty good sense of their ceilings. Cheruyiot is on the decline. Yes, just as Wightman did last summer, one of them might pop off and threaten or even defeat Jakob. Yared, however, is just emerging and it seems his talent level is off the charts. He’s only been a pro for 6 months, he’s barely been at altitude and he’s already blowing up. In fact he may well be more talented than Jakob when you think of all the miles and reps Jakob has run compared to Yared. No, Nuguse is the real and I think only serious threat to Jakob’s overall ascendancy over the next few years.
Sorry, that's a ridiculous comment. Nuguse is the real deal, but to dismiss accomplished sub-3:30 runners who have World and Olympic medals is just hubris. He's also not the only young talent in the world - for example Matt Stonier is younger than Nuguse and ran 3:32 last year.
Sorry, that's a ridiculous comment. Nuguse is the real deal, but to dismiss accomplished sub-3:30 runners who have World and Olympic medals is just hubris. He's also not the only young talent in the world - for example Matt Stonier is younger than Nuguse and ran 3:32 last year.
Hubris is if I said I was the only real threat to Jakob, not extolling the other worldly talents of Nuguse. What’s ridiculous is to mention Matt Stonier and Yared Nuguse and talent in the same sentence.
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These other guys have been around for a while and I think we have a pretty good sense of their ceilings. Cheruyiot is on the decline. Yes, just as Wightman did last summer, one of them might pop off and threaten or even defeat Jakob. Yared, however, is just emerging and it seems his talent level is off the charts. He’s only been a pro for 6 months, he’s barely been at altitude and he’s already blowing up. In fact he may well be more talented than Jakob when you think of all the miles and reps Jakob has run compared to Yared. No, Nuguse is the real and I think only serious threat to Jakob’s overall ascendancy over the next few years.
It’s just a little early. There is an Ethiopian Ermias Girma to keep tabs on. He ran 1:44.36/3:36 last year at age 18. Know what you’re thinking but he doesn’t look 22 or anything. Looks like a Diribe Welteji type talent who will run great at 800-1500. The Kenyan teenager Raynold Cheruiyot is a monster talent, too. I’ll never count out Hocker based on the fact that as an NCAA guy he was better than Mario, Olli, Kerr and Yared by a nice bit. I do buy that Yared was a part-time runner with his studies unlike the other bunch. It does feel unlikely that the ceilings of Hoare, Kerr, Tim, Katir and so on have much more to go up, so they need something to be off. Let’s also not forget Abel Kipsang like Katir might have more untapped potential.
Accepting that the ceilings of Kerr, Cheruiyot, and Katir might not go up much further, but let's remember how high those ceilings are: all have run 3:28. That's the level we're talking about.
Sorry, that's a ridiculous comment. Nuguse is the real deal, but to dismiss accomplished sub-3:30 runners who have World and Olympic medals is just hubris. He's also not the only young talent in the world - for example Matt Stonier is younger than Nuguse and ran 3:32 last year.
Hubris is if I said I was the only real threat to Jakob, not extolling the other worldly talents of Nuguse. What’s ridiculous is to mention Matt Stonier and Yared Nuguse and talent in the same sentence.
Accepting that the ceilings of Kerr, Cheruiyot, and Katir might not go up much further, but let's remember how high those ceilings are: all have run 3:28. That's the level we're talking about.
It’s true. I’d put Cheruiyot in a bit of a different category. That is 3:28 with worse pacing than today and a fair bit if run from the frint. Katir and Kerr got pretty perfect rides in there at 3:28/29.0. The problem for Tim is that form has been missing since 2020
