Pre Classic 2019 (6/30) - official discussion thread

bank robber ninja rupp mask · 2019-06-24T12:19:36-04:00

Always one of my favorite meets. I remember the 2001 Alan Webb 3:53/El G 3:49 mile like it was yesterday. This year it will be held in Stanford instead of Oregon - but most events still feature an absolutely stacked field. Who are you most excited to see? Predictions? Discuss.

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6 years ago 06/26/2019 6:43am EDT

re: Aussiestatman

Aussiestatman wrote:
Not only 8 under 8.30 already but also 21yo Gidey just outside and two 20yo Ethiopians have made massive breakthroughs already this year (Fantu Worku and Hawi Feysa). For me it’s kipkirui over Hassan and Worku.

Feysa barely ran sub 5:40 in the 2k, it would be very surprising if she could run the same pace in the 3k. But one of course one never knows with 20 yo East Africans coming from nowhere.

Gidey is probably a contender and Worku maybe if it does not get too fast too early.

But 8:29 might not get one more than 7th or 8th place in such a race. If Ayana is back to form, I expect her to keep the pace high early/mid-race because Hassan and Dibaba are the strongest in a fast last two laps. Obiri beat Dibaba in Doha but was weak in Stockholm. I still think Hassan and Dibaba will be the strongest both in a very fast or not so fast race.

6 years ago 06/26/2019 8:23am EDT

re: elite pro flotrack dong

elite pro flotrack dong wrote:
INGLE BRITSIN

That was maddening. Completely highlighted that he had done zero homework for his broadcast/announcing. Basically, a reflection of the half @ss attitude that is so prevalent at flotrack.

6 years ago 06/26/2019 8:30am EDT

re: NC Runner 34

NC Runner 34 wrote:
Klebber wrote:
So which track is considered faster? Eugene or Stanford?
Eugene, I don't know if you've been to Stanford but that track is nothing special. Stanford just usually has better weather though so that's their appeal. Since Pre is a month later this year, it may be warmer, but that averages for late June is Palo Alto is 54/79 so if the temp is around 70 there could still be some fast times. The longest races, women's 3k and 3k steeple could be affected.

Wrong, the dimensions of Stanford's track make it faster.

6 years ago 06/26/2019 1:18pm EDT

re: Jo72

Jo72 wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
Not only 8 under 8.30 already but also 21yo Gidey just outside and two 20yo Ethiopians have made massive breakthroughs already this year (Fantu Worku and Hawi Feysa). For me it’s kipkirui over Hassan and Worku.
Feysa barely ran sub 5:40 in the 2k, it would be very surprising if she could run the same pace in the 3k. But one of course one never knows with 20 yo East Africans coming from nowhere.
Gidey is probably a contender and Worku maybe if it does not get too fast too early.
But 8:29 might not get one more than 7th or 8th place in such a race. If Ayana is back to form, I expect her to keep the pace high early/mid-race because Hassan and Dibaba are the strongest in a fast last two laps. Obiri beat Dibaba in Doha but was weak in Stockholm. I still think Hassan and Dibaba will be the strongest both in a very fast or not so fast race.

I was initially told by a close source that Ayana was only 50/50 for this race and that the focus in her rehab programme and training was the London DL 5000m. So I’m pleasantly surprised to have her confirm her start on Twitter today. Interesting that she has chosen her least favoured distance to start the season, especially in light of the Stella field, but I guess she is simply overjoyed to be running again.

I don’t see her revealing a new box of tricks in her racing strategy however. Tempo changes do not speak to her wheelhouse. I reckon she will continue to break races open earlier and force the field into the decision to follow or back their pre race strategy. It also stands to reason that the shorter the race the less impact this strategy should have - but let’s not forget she is the Ethiopian record holder at 3000m.

She has been working with a team who are attempting to modify her biomechanics lessen strain on her troublesome knees,

Anyway it’s good to see her back amongst this Stella field. Woman’s distance running has never been so exciting !

6 years ago 06/26/2019 1:20pm EDT

re: Hill Run

Stanford is short. Everyone knows this.

6 years ago 06/26/2019 1:25pm EDT

re: big dave22

big dave22 wrote:
Ruman wrote:
I think Dibaba runs an outdoor WR (excepting Chinese in ‘93) with Hassan right on her heels, as 8 women break 8:30.
Are you insinuating that Dibaba's time would be the "clean" WR? Because that's just insulting. I kind of love the fact that even the most doped up East Africans can't touch that 8:06. Masterful trolling by the Chinese there.
Anyway, the mile is always the best event. A good realistic time for Jakob would be 3:51.

Didn't he run like a 3:32 1500 (3:49 equivalent) like 2 years ago? He is 2 years older and should be much stronger.

6 years ago 06/26/2019 1:40pm EDT

re: Sally Vix

Sally Vix wrote:
Didn't he run like a 3:32 1500 (3:49 equivalent) like 2 years ago? He is 2 years older and should be much stronger.

3:31:18, Monaco, july 20th 2018.

6 years ago 06/26/2019 1:44pm EDT

re: Hill Run

Won't this be Ayana first race since that half marathon in 2016 post Olympics?

6 years ago 06/26/2019 1:47pm EDT

re: FINLAND

FINLAND wrote:
jakob ingebrigtsen first 18 year old under 3:50??

6 years ago 06/26/2019 2:48pm EDT

re: 1776

1776 wrote:
Won't this be Ayana first race since that half marathon in 2016 post Olympics?

Yes! But the Delhi half marathon was at the end of the year following the London WC in 2017. A lot of data obtained from the bio mechanical study conducted at the London WC has been used to assist her in post injury recovery and stride modification in the hope to alleviate her repeating injury concerns. It will be interesting to see if this is noticeable to the naked eye when she runs this weekend.

6 years ago 06/26/2019 3:39pm EDT

re: Jo72

Jo72 wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
Not only 8 under 8.30 already but also 21yo Gidey just outside and two 20yo Ethiopians have made massive breakthroughs already this year (Fantu Worku and Hawi Feysa). For me it’s kipkirui over Hassan and Worku.
Feysa barely ran sub 5:40 in the 2k, it would be very surprising if she could run the same pace in the 3k. But one of course one never knows with 20 yo East Africans coming from nowhere.
Gidey is probably a contender and Worku maybe if it does not get too fast too early.
But 8:29 might not get one more than 7th or 8th place in such a race. If Ayana is back to form, I expect her to keep the pace high early/mid-race because Hassan and Dibaba are the strongest in a fast last two laps. Obiri beat Dibaba in Doha but was weak in Stockholm. I still think Hassan and Dibaba will be the strongest both in a very fast or not so fast race.

Obiri stumbled 1000m out in Stockholm and didn’t recover. Should improve.

6 years ago 06/26/2019 3:41pm EDT

re: Jo72

Jo72 wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
Not only 8 under 8.30 already but also 21yo Gidey just outside and two 20yo Ethiopians have made massive breakthroughs already this year (Fantu Worku and Hawi Feysa). For me it’s kipkirui over Hassan and Worku.
Feysa barely ran sub 5:40 in the 2k, it would be very surprising if she could run the same pace in the 3k. But one of course one never knows with 20 yo East Africans coming from nowhere.
Gidey is probably a contender and Worku maybe if it does not get too fast too early.
But 8:29 might not get one more than 7th or 8th place in such a race. If Ayana is back to form, I expect her to keep the pace high early/mid-race because Hassan and Dibaba are the strongest in a fast last two laps. Obiri beat Dibaba in Doha but was weak in Stockholm. I still think Hassan and Dibaba will be the strongest both in a very fast or not so fast race.

Worku shouldn’t have probs with pace early: nearly won a 1500 but thought the finish line was at the 200 mark.

6 years ago 06/26/2019 3:44pm EDT

re: Alexi Pappas

Alexi Pappas wrote:
Me!

Agreed!

6 years ago 06/26/2019 5:20pm EDT

re: not possible, Nurmi

not possible, Nurmi wrote:
FINLAND wrote:
jakob ingebrigtsen first 18 year old under 3:50??
No

May not go sub 3:50 this weekend but will likely be the 1st 18 year old under 3:30 in Monaco...

6 years ago 06/26/2019 5:27pm EDT

re: its a comin'

its a comin' wrote:
not possible, Nurmi wrote:
No
May not go sub 3:50 this weekend but will likely be the 1st 18 year old under 3:30 in Monaco...

This would also be impossible.

6 years ago 06/26/2019 5:37pm EDT

re: bank robber ninja rupp mask

I’m excited to see how the womens steeple shakes out. Will Courtney beat Emma? Will Colleen post a fast time? And how will Allie Ostrander fare in her first pro steeple race?

Also excited to see how Shelby does in the 1500 and Karissa in the 3000m. Go #BowermanBabes !!

6 years ago 06/26/2019 6:17pm EDT

re: Watch with sound off

Watch with sound off wrote:
elite pro flotrack dong wrote:
INGLE BRITSIN
That was maddening. Completely highlighted that he had done zero homework for his broadcast/announcing. Basically, a reflection of the half @ss attitude that is so prevalent at flotrack.

Ingle-brix-ten

6 years ago 06/27/2019 1:33am EDT

re: Aussiestatman

Aussiestatman wrote:
Jo72 wrote:
Kejelcha might have been been a clear favorite in the 2 mile race, but it's probably more interesting that he runs in the mile.
This must be one of the strongest fields ever assembled in a women's 3k/5k, it's stronger than the last 5k WC final (and it would be even more so if some women who race in the 1500m or steeple in Stanford would participate in the 3k). 8 women in the field have already broken 8:30 so this would not even be surprising.
If it goes out fast and the pace is kept high I would not be too surprised if 5 or 6 broke 8:25. Hassan's PB is from a moderately paced race with a very fast finish, she must be able to run quite a bit faster from her 1500/5k times. Obiri beat Dibaba in Doha but was inconsistent afterwards, still always a strong contender. Not sure in what shape Ayana is but she would not race if she didn't feel competitive. And it will be Klosterhalfen's first serious outdoor race after joining NOP and her 8:29 was also in a badly paced race where she spent a lot of time in lane 2.
Not only 8 under 8.30 already but also 21yo Gidey just outside and two 20yo Ethiopians have made massive breakthroughs already this year (Fantu Worku and Hawi Feysa). For me it’s kipkirui over Hassan and Worku.

I choose Caroline based on her finishing just behind the big three over 5000 in the two biggest races last year, also winning the Doha 3000 and smashing the half marathon in Prague. Class over many distances

6 years ago 06/27/2019 1:58am EDT

re: Runnerchx44

Women’s 200 should be Thompson over Asher-Smith and Schippers

6 years ago 06/27/2019 2:01am EDT

re: its a comin'

Women’s is not a DL event and SAFP will win over Talou and Bowie.

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